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Subject: Re: Fedora 33 System-Wide Change proposal: systemd-resolved
From: drago01 <drago01 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2020-08-29 4:55:18
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On Saturday, August 29, 2020, John M. Harris Jr <johnmh@splentity.com>
wrote:
> On Monday, August 10, 2020 9:52:42 AM MST Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:08 am, Michael Catanzaro
> > <mcatanzaro@gnome.org> wrote:
> >
> > > Zbigniew, do you agree that we should remove the script if and only
> > > if it is generated by NetworkManager? Otherwise, the change is only
> > > partially-implemented for users upgrading from F32 and earlier.
> >
> >
> > We agreed to go with this approach. /etc/resolv.conf will be moved to
> > /etc/resolv.conf.orig-with-nm on upgrade to F33 if the 'Generated by
> > NetworkManager' comment is present. If you've gone to the trouble to
> > prevent NetworkManager from managing this file, it's likely you've also
> > removed the comment. If not, you can either remove the comment before
> > upgrade, or recover your previous configuration from the
> > /etc/resolv.conf.orig-with-nm backup file after upgrade, and hopefully
> > have only a small blip in your upgrade experience. This will make the
> > upgrade work properly for the 99% of users who don't mess with the
> > defaults and should not be too difficult for those who do.
>
> That comment being there doesn't mean that is still the case. I haven't
> removed that comment, I just fixed the file. It would be best to just not
> mess
> with this file on upgrade, and, instead, change the behavior of new
> installs.
> This wouldn't break anything, and would have all newly installed systems
> with
> the configuration you seem to want.
>
> There's no reason to break peoples' systems here, we can easily plan for
> this.
> I also don't know where you're getting this estimate of 99% of users not
> changing this file.
People expect to get the new features on upgrades without having to
reinstall.
There is no reason to upgrades differently - if you have customized
configuration you should be reading the changes before doing an upgrade.
> --
> John M. Harris, Jr.
>
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<br><br>On Saturday, August 29, 2020, John M. Harris Jr <<a \
href="mailto:johnmh@splentity.com">johnmh@splentity.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote \
class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex">On Monday, August 10, 2020 9:52:42 AM MST Michael Catanzaro \
wrote:<br> > On Tue, Aug 4, 2020 at 9:08 am, Michael Catanzaro <br>
> <<a href="mailto:mcatanzaro@gnome.org">mcatanzaro@gnome.org</a>> \
wrote:<br> > <br>
> > Zbigniew, do you agree that we should remove the script if and only <br>
> > if it is generated by NetworkManager? Otherwise, the change is only <br>
> > partially-implemented for users upgrading from F32 and earlier.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> We agreed to go with this approach. /etc/resolv.conf will be moved to <br>
> /etc/resolv.conf.orig-with-nm on upgrade to F33 if the 'Generated by <br>
> NetworkManager' comment is present. If you've gone to the trouble to \
<br> > prevent NetworkManager from managing this file, it's likely you've \
also <br> > removed the comment. If not, you can either remove the comment before \
<br> > upgrade, or recover your previous configuration from the <br>
> /etc/resolv.conf.orig-with-nm backup file after upgrade, and hopefully <br>
> have only a small blip in your upgrade experience. This will make the <br>
> upgrade work properly for the 99% of users who don't mess with the <br>
> defaults and should not be too difficult for those who do.<br>
<br>
That comment being there doesn't mean that is still the case. I haven't <br>
removed that comment, I just fixed the file. It would be best to just not mess <br>
with this file on upgrade, and, instead, change the behavior of new installs. <br>
This wouldn't break anything, and would have all newly installed systems with \
<br> the configuration you seem to want.<br>
<br>
There's no reason to break peoples' systems here, we can easily plan for \
this. <br> I also don't know where you're getting this estimate of 99% of \
users not <br> changing this file.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>People expect to \
get the new features on upgrades without having to reinstall. \
</div><div><br></div><div>There is no reason to upgrades differently - if you have \
customized configuration you should be reading the changes before doing an \
upgrade.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 \
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
-- <br>
John M. Harris, Jr.<br>
<br>
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