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List:       fedora-devel-list
Subject:    Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience
From:       Ryan Rix <ry () n ! rix ! si>
Date:       2013-03-13 1:48:27
Message-ID: 1759919.5v0OLFAuEY () hobbes
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My machine suspends to disk when I close the lid while it is unplugged. So ... 
Quite often. I would love to see the GRUB menu disabled by default, but I am 
also content with doing it myself post-install.

On Mon 11 March 2013 21:51:01 Steve Clark wrote:
> On 03/11/2013 05:04 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mon, 11.03.13 21:45, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mailhot@laposte.net) 
wrote:
> >> Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a écrit :
> >>> On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (lists@colorremedies.com) wrote:
> >>>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Björn Persson
> >>>> <bjorn@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se>
> >>>> 
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to press
> >>>> 
> >>>> some key at the
> >>>> 
> >>>>> right moment?
> >>>> 
> >>>> A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user how to
> >>>> get to the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system probably
> >>>> should entirely suppress the menu or notice how to get to it.
> >>> 
> >>> Somebody who is capable of installing multiple operating systems on one
> >>> machine should easily be savvy enough to remember that pressing
> >>> shift/esc/space/f2/whatever gets him the boot menu.
> >>> 
> >>> If you installed multiple OSes and noticed that the boot menu is gone,
> >>> wouldn't pressing these keys be your natural reaction anyway?
> >> 
> >> My natural reaction would be to curse whoever is making me waste minutes
> >> in press-random-keys-to-see-if-you-can-unlock-boot games to "win" a few
> >> seconds. I'm pretty sure any poll would find the same result.
> > 
> > My natural reaction to the current grub2 menu that steals my boot is
> > that I start to hate Fedora and Linux for that we waste our time in ugly
> > boot menus and bikeshedding about them.
> > 
> > Lennart
> 
> How many times do you boot a day? If it is more than once or twice I would
> posit that is not the normal user. So what is 2 extra seconds?
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Ryan Rix
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