From fedora-devel-list  Wed Mar 13 01:48:27 2013
From: Ryan Rix <ry () n ! rix ! si>
Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2013 01:48:27 +0000
To: fedora-devel-list
Subject: Re: Improving the Fedora boot experience
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My machine suspends to disk when I close the lid while it is unplugged.=
 So ...=20
Quite often. I would love to see the GRUB menu disabled by default, but=
 I am=20
also content with doing it myself post-install.

On Mon 11 March 2013 21:51:01 Steve Clark wrote:
> On 03/11/2013 05:04 PM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> > On Mon, 11.03.13 21:45, Nicolas Mailhot (nicolas.mailhot@laposte.ne=
t)=20
wrote:
> >> Le Lun 11 mars 2013 21:16, Lennart Poettering a =E9crit :
> >>> On Mon, 11.03.13 13:08, Chris Murphy (lists@colorremedies.com) wr=
ote:
> >>>> On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:31 AM, Bj=F6rn Persson
> >>>> <bjorn@xn--rombobjrn-67a.se>
> >>>>=20
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Or nothing at all displayed unless the user happens to know to =
press
> >>>>=20
> >>>> some key at the
> >>>>=20
> >>>>> right moment?
> >>>>=20
> >>>> A multiboot system needs at least a message to inform the user h=
ow to
> >>>> get to the boot manager (the GRUB menu). A Fedora only system pr=
obably
> >>>> should entirely suppress the menu or notice how to get to it.
> >>>=20
> >>> Somebody who is capable of installing multiple operating systems =
on one
> >>> machine should easily be savvy enough to remember that pressing
> >>> shift/esc/space/f2/whatever gets him the boot menu.
> >>>=20
> >>> If you installed multiple OSes and noticed that the boot menu is =
gone,
> >>> wouldn't pressing these keys be your natural reaction anyway?
> >>=20
> >> My natural reaction would be to curse whoever is making me waste m=
inutes
> >> in press-random-keys-to-see-if-you-can-unlock-boot games to "win" =
a few
> >> seconds. I'm pretty sure any poll would find the same result.
> >=20
> > My natural reaction to the current grub2 menu that steals my boot i=
s
> > that I start to hate Fedora and Linux for that we waste our time in=
 ugly
> > boot menus and bikeshedding about them.
> >=20
> > Lennart
>=20
> How many times do you boot a day? If it is more than once or twice I =
would
> posit that is not the normal user. So what is 2 extra seconds?
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Ryan Rix
http://rix.si

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