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Subject: Re: [MOD] Re: [XP] Re: Uncle Bob's "Restoring The Trust" video
From: John Roth <JohnRoth1 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2011-03-05 10:03:46
Message-ID: 4D720A82.5050703 () gmail ! com
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Put him on moderation. The number of misrepresentations in the cited
post comes close to one per line - a clear sign of trolling.
This is usually such a pleasant group that people may have forgotten the
first law of dealing with a troll: don't reply.
John Roth
On 3/4/11 2:04 AM, ronjeffriesacm@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Advise me, people. I am finding these posts to be less and less
> relevant to what I take the purpose of this group to be, and to be
> less and less respectful of people both absent and present.
>
> At the same time, I freely grant that they are irritating me, and I do
> not have a record of good decisions when irritated.
>
> Your suggestions, pro or con, publicly or direct to me, will be helpful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> R
>
> On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:07 PM, "MarvinToll.com" <MarvinToll@gtcGroup.com
> <mailto:MarvinToll%40gtcGroup.com>> wrote:
>
> > I appreciated Uncle Bob's reminder. In 2001 CEO's were still telling
> IT leaders to 'get lost' ... being really upset at how executive
> bonuses were curtailed because of the enormous costs associated with Y2K.
> >
> > And that was after the whole client/server debacle of the 90s...
> another costly misdirection.
> >
> > It is amazing that in that climate self-described "organizational
> anarchists" took it upon themselves to tell businesses how to organize
> as a strategy to build trust. And even more amazing was that so many
> folks that failed to get date processing right presumed that their
> new-found scope included telling Successful Companies what they are
> doing wrong.
> >
> > If we (IT) could just get CASE, I mean client-server, er, I mean
> CORBA, that is Entity Beans, oops... I mean JAX-RPC... oh well, JAX-WS
> right --- then maybe it would be time to start telling business
> leaders how we are smarter than they are?
> >
> > --- In extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:extremeprogramming%40yahoogroups.com>, "JeffGrigg"
> <jeffreytoddgrigg@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> ---
> >>
> >> Personally, while I see value to the manifesto as a unifying point
> for everyone, I also see value to taking off in different directions
> based on interests and needs. And I would agree that this represents a
> maturing of the "movement." Personally, I wonder if Uncle Bob is
> over-emphasizing "unification."
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
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<p>Put him on moderation. The number of misrepresentations in the cited <br>
post comes close to one per line - a clear sign of trolling.<br>
<br>
This is usually such a pleasant group that people may have forgotten the <br>
first law of dealing with a troll: don't reply.<br>
<br>
John Roth<br>
<br>
On 3/4/11 2:04 AM, <a \
href="mailto:ronjeffriesacm%40gmail.com">ronjeffriesacm@gmail.com</a> wrote:<br> \
><br> > Advise me, people. I am finding these posts to be less and less <br>
> relevant to what I take the purpose of this group to be, and to be <br>
> less and less respectful of people both absent and present.<br>
><br>
> At the same time, I freely grant that they are irritating me, and I do <br>
> not have a record of good decisions when irritated.<br>
><br>
> Your suggestions, pro or con, publicly or direct to me, will be helpful.<br>
><br>
> Thanks,<br>
><br>
> R<br>
><br>
> On Mar 3, 2011, at 11:07 PM, "MarvinToll.com" <<a \
href="mailto:MarvinToll%40gtcGroup.com">MarvinToll@gtcGroup.com</a> <br> > \
<mailto:MarvinToll%40gtcGroup.com>> wrote:<br> ><br>
> > I appreciated Uncle Bob's reminder. In 2001 CEO's were still telling <br>
> IT leaders to 'get lost' ... being really upset at how executive <br>
> bonuses were curtailed because of the enormous costs associated with Y2K.<br>
> ><br>
> > And that was after the whole client/server debacle of the 90s... <br>
> another costly misdirection.<br>
> ><br>
> > It is amazing that in that climate self-described "organizational <br>
> anarchists" took it upon themselves to tell businesses how to organize <br>
> as a strategy to build trust. And even more amazing was that so many <br>
> folks that failed to get date processing right presumed that their <br>
> new-found scope included telling Successful Companies what they are <br>
> doing wrong.<br>
> ><br>
> > If we (IT) could just get CASE, I mean client-server, er, I mean <br>
> CORBA, that is Entity Beans, oops... I mean JAX-RPC... oh well, JAX-WS <br>
> right --- then maybe it would be time to start telling business <br>
> leaders how we are smarter than they are?<br>
> ><br>
> > --- In <a href="mailto:extremeprogramming%40yahoogroups.com">extremeprogramming@yahoogroups.com</a> \
<br> > <mailto:extremeprogramming%40yahoogroups.com>, "JeffGrigg" \
<br> > <jeffreytoddgrigg@...> wrote:<br>
> >><br>
> >> ---<br>
> >><br>
> >> Personally, while I see value to the manifesto as a unifying point <br>
> for everyone, I also see value to taking off in different directions <br>
> based on interests and needs. And I would agree that this represents a <br>
> maturing of the "movement." Personally, I wonder if Uncle Bob is <br>
> over-emphasizing "unification."<br>
> >><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
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