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List:       kde-usability
Subject:    Re: Trash, Delete, Shred
From:       Jan Schumacher <uzs5p3 () uni-bonn ! de>
Date:       2003-06-28 14:38:33
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On Saturday 28 June 2003 13:31, David Hugh-Jones wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-06-28 at 09:28, Luis Pedro Coelho wrote:
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> > Please, don't do this. Sometimes I want to delete, sometimes I want to
> > move to trash.s
>
> Can I ask what the underlying need is?

Harddrive space is usually not the reason I delete something rather than 
moving it -- I empty the trash when I need space. It depends more on how sure 
I am, that I will not regret the decision. I delete duplicates and large 
files that I am sure have become obsolete.

> For remote files, you don't always want to move them into your trash -
> e.g. a 1G file over a slow connection. _Mostly_ I would think people
> want to delete remote files. Partly for connection reasons, partly
> because a file in your trash that was once "on some host somewhere" has
> probably lost all context that would explain where to put it back.

Personally I would like to decide on a case by case basis myself. If I am sure 
that a file can go then delete it, else move it. The first time I used fish 
to connect to another KDE box, I was surprised it moved the file to 
localhost's trash rather than remote. Maybe ioslaves where that makes sense 
could check for a remote $HOME/Desktop/Trash?

> [...]

> > Overall, I must say I am against it. My suggestion: get rid of "Shred."
> > It's a broken concept and very few people understand what it means. And
> > those will probably understand it doesn't give you any reassurances.
> > It's a bad idea.

Why is shred so bad? It depends on the filesystem I guess, but in many 
circumstances it should work, shouldn't it?

Regards
Jan
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