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List:       kde-release-team
Subject:    Re: Fwd: KDE Frameworks Release Cycle
From:       Scott Kitterman <kde () kitterman ! com>
Date:       2014-05-20 11:55:26
Message-ID: 2809993.kVT9tBqCuf () scott-latitude-e6320
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On Tuesday, May 20, 2014 13:28:29 Martin Gr=E4=DFlin wrote:
> On Tuesday 20 May 2014 07:19:59 Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On May 20, 2014 4:19:26 AM EDT, Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@gmail.com>
> =

> wrote:
> > >On Tuesday 20 May 2014 19:07:41 Ben Cooksley wrote:
> > >> On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Kevin Ottens <ervin@kde.org> wrote:
> > ><snip>
> > >
> > >> > Now, I think we'll have to agree to disagree on something. You
> > >
> > >believe
> > >
> > >> > there's some rule written in stone somewhere which will make the
> > >> > "everyone will pile up backports only" the new status quo forever,
> > >
> > >I say
> > >
> > >> > let's try and find out.
> > >> =

> > >> In the meantime, everyone but the developers will suffer.
> > >
> > >Yes, and saying no to every proposal won't change that.
> > >
> > >I believe that the only advantage of the current situation (slow
> > >release
> > >cycle with a period of 'bugfixes' that go untested) seems to be that it
> > >is a
> > >known evil: we're lying about them being stable bugfix releases but the
> > =

> > They are almost completely bugfix. Every now and then something slips
> > through, but those are mistakes.
> > =

> > We (packagers) know exactly how much testing gets done upstream, so we
> > test
> > them before releasing to our users.
> =

> I already mentioned this once in this thread: such testing has to be done
> upstream. It is a waste of all distro's time if every distro tests
> independently the same things, and a bad experience if you miss to test
> something due to lack of knowledge [1].
> =

> I'm quite convince that there is a middle ground which will help the
> developers and the packagers way. We only have to accept that there will =
be
> changes and start to move a little bit. I see here so much possibilities =
to
> improve the workflows, but so far all I saw from distro side is "change is
> bad". Let's try a little bit harder to improve the situation :-)

I'm open to discussing change, but so far the change is "You're on your own=
, =

get over  it".  Not a lot to discuss in that.

Scott K
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