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Today's Topics:
1. automatic mounting of mass storage devices: light shed on the problem in it's \
true form after experimentation, consultation and study (kwhiskers) 2. Re: automatic \
mounting of mass storage devices: light shed on the problem in it's true form after \
experimentation, consultation and study (kwhiskers) 3. Re: gtk-qt-engine fc4 crashes \
(Rex Dieter) 4. Re: gtk-qt-engine fc4 crashes (Rex Dieter)
5. Re: gtk-qt-engine fc4 crashes (Eli Wapniarski)
6. debuginfo (Clark Williamson)
7. Re: debuginfo (Rex Dieter)
8. Re: debuginfo (Paul Kopacz)
9. Re: debuginfo (Rex Dieter)
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Thanks to all who have tried to help. I hope to consolidate the thread here=
.
I have partially solved the automounting of usb 'scsi' mass storage cameras=
,
which is done by hal. No udev rules are necessary. No device definitions ar=
e
required. It's all already there. fstab-sync takes care of creating mount
points. /dev/sda and sda1 both appear when the camera is plugged in; the
necessary kernel modules are automatically loaded. Furthermore, it all
works...
If one is using gnome: plug in the camera and the filesystem on the camera'=
s
memory chip will be automatically mounted to /media/usbdisk.
The problem is how to get this to happen under kde. Under kde, one has to
manually mount the camera. Isn't there a way to make this behave under kde
the way it is supposed to?
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Thanks to all who have tried to help. I hope to consolidate the thread here=
.<br>
<br>
I have partially solved the automounting of usb 'scsi' mass storage
cameras, which is done by hal. No udev rules are necessary. No device
definitions are required. It's all already there. fstab-sync takes care
of creating mount points. /dev/sda and sda1 both appear when the camera
is plugged in; the necessary kernel modules are automatically loaded.
Furthermore, it all works...<br>
<br>
If one is using gnome: plug in the camera and the filesystem on the
camera's memory chip will be automatically mounted to /media/usbdisk.<br>
<br>
The problem is how to get this to happen under kde. Under kde, one has
to manually mount the camera. Isn't there a way to make this behave
under kde the way it is supposed to?<br>
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On 26/10/05, kwhiskers <kwhiskers@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks to all who have tried to help. I hope to consolidate the thread
> here.
>
> I have partially solved the automounting of usb 'scsi' mass storage
> cameras, which is done by hal. No udev rules are necessary. No device
> definitions are required. It's all already there. fstab-sync takes care of
> creating mount points. /dev/sda and sda1 both appear when the camera is
> plugged in; the necessary kernel modules are automatically loaded.
> Furthermore, it all works...
>
> If one is using gnome: plug in the camera and the filesystem on the
> camera's memory chip will be automatically mounted to /media/usbdisk.
>
> The problem is how to get this to happen under kde. Under kde, one has to
> manually mount the camera. Isn't there a way to make this behave under kde
> the way it is supposed to?
>
Well, am I perhaps confusing what is meant by automount? I just read this
article: http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS
The author talks of double-clicking to mount on the removable storage icon
in the media:/ list. I guess that is what I did in Gnome. An icon appeared
on the desktop that I double-clicked and the file browser opened, showing me
the contents of the disk.
What I understand as automounting is the following: I open up the konqueror
and the files on the removable media will already be there, in line, just as
are all the other mounted partitions, right then and there, without any
clicking.
I suppose this is no longer worth pursuing, now that I have seen the
difference in the approaches... that they are not in fact different. It's
just that in KDE, the place one clicks is buried in the sidebar. I guess
it's easy enough to create a link...
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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 26/10/05, <b \
class="gmail_sendername">kwhiskers</b> <<a \
href="mailto:kwhiskers@gmail.com">kwhiskers@gmail.com</a>> \
wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Thanks to all who have \
tried to help. I hope to consolidate the thread here.<br> <br>
I have partially solved the automounting of usb 'scsi' mass storage
cameras, which is done by hal. No udev rules are necessary. No device
definitions are required. It's all already there. fstab-sync takes care
of creating mount points. /dev/sda and sda1 both appear when the camera
is plugged in; the necessary kernel modules are automatically loaded.
Furthermore, it all works...<br>
<br>
If one is using gnome: plug in the camera and the filesystem on the
camera's memory chip will be automatically mounted to /media/usbdisk.<br>
<br>
The problem is how to get this to happen under kde. Under kde, one has
to manually mount the camera. Isn't there a way to make this behave
under kde the way it is supposed to?<br>
</blockquote></div><br>
Well, am I perhaps confusing what is meant by automount? I just read this article: <a \
href="http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS">http://wiki.kde.org/tiki-index.php?page=DBUS</a><br>
<br>
The author talks of double-clicking to mount on the removable storage
icon in the media:/ list. I guess that is what I did in Gnome. An icon
appeared on the desktop that I double-clicked and the file browser
opened, showing me the contents of the disk.<br>
<br>
What I understand as automounting is the following: I open up the
konqueror and the files on the removable media will already be there,
in line, just as are all the other mounted partitions, right then and
there, without any clicking.<br>
<br>
I suppose this is no longer worth pursuing, now that I have seen the
difference in the approaches... that they are not in fact different.
It's just that in KDE, the place one clicks is buried in the sidebar. I
guess it's easy enough to create a link...<br>
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Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> Further investigation reveals that its the combination of the newer
> gtk-qt-engine with baghira 0.71.
Just tried it myself and gtk-qt-engine-0.60-4 + baghira-0.71-1 seems to
function mostly fine for the subset of gtk applications I tried:
* abiword-2.4.1, toolbar icons are (still) missing
* openoffice.org (fedora's), toolbar/menus (still) often blank-out
* firefox: crashes with baghira-0.71, gtk-qt-engine-0.60-1 no crash, but
toolbar icons missing
What other gtk/gnome apps, if any, are crashing for you (other than
firefox)? I'm trying to compile a good list to submit this bug upstream.
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Rex Dieter wrote:
> Eli Wapniarski wrote:
>
> > Further investigation reveals that its the combination of the newer
> > gtk-qt-engine with baghira 0.71.
>
>
> Just tried it myself and gtk-qt-engine-0.60-4 + baghira-0.71-1 seems to
> function mostly fine for the subset of gtk applications I tried:
>
> * abiword-2.4.1, toolbar icons are (still) missing
> * openoffice.org (fedora's), toolbar/menus (still) often blank-out
> * firefox: crashes with baghira-0.71, gtk-qt-engine-0.60-1 no crash, but
> toolbar icons missing
>
> What other gtk/gnome apps, if any, are crashing for you (other than
Found another crasher:
* gimp
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On Oct 27, 2005 03:27 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter@math.unl.edu> wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
> > Eli Wapniarski wrote:
> >
> > > Further investigation reveals that its the combination of the newer
> > > gtk-qt-engine with baghira 0.71.
> >
> >
> > Just tried it myself and gtk-qt-engine-0.60-4 + baghira-0.71-1 seems
> > to
> > function mostly fine for the subset of gtk applications I tried:
> >
> > * abiword-2.4.1, toolbar icons are (still) missing
> > * openoffice.org (fedora's), toolbar/menus (still) often blank-out
> > * firefox: crashes with baghira-0.71, gtk-qt-engine-0.60-1 no crash,
> > but
> > toolbar icons missing
> >
> > What other gtk/gnome apps, if any, are crashing for you (other than
>
> Found another crasher:
> * gimp
>
> -- Rex
>
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I have enjoyed your work with kde immensely and am thankful for all your
hard work.
Lately I have been having some issues with kicker and kmail crashing
when doing different things and I would like to post bugs to the kde bug
database. When the crash happens the backtrace is missing all the debuginfo.
What I would like to know is, would it be possible to have debuginfo
packages available as well?
What would need to be done to have these?
Thanks again for all your hard work!
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Clark Williamson wrote:
> Lately I have been having some issues with kicker and kmail crashing
> when doing different things and I would like to post bugs to the kde bug
> database. When the crash happens the backtrace is missing all the debuginfo.
>
> What I would like to know is, would it be possible to have debuginfo
> packages available as well?
> What would need to be done to have these?
Possible? Sure, but a *lot* more storage space is needed to host the
-debuginfo pkgs. (I'd estimate our usage would almost double, but
that's a gross estimate pulled out my a?#$). (-:
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Rex Dieter wrote:
> Clark Williamson wrote:
>
> > Lately I have been having some issues with kicker and kmail crashing
> > when doing different things and I would like to post bugs to the kde bug
> > database. When the crash happens the backtrace is missing all the
> > debuginfo.
> >
> > What I would like to know is, would it be possible to have debuginfo
> > packages available as well?
> > What would need to be done to have these?
>
>
> Possible? Sure, but a *lot* more storage space is needed to host the
> -debuginfo pkgs. (I'd estimate our usage would almost double, but
> that's a gross estimate pulled out my a?#$). (-:
>
> -- Rex
>
Aren't the debug info packages just the same packages with the debugging
information left in (i.e. unstripped binaries)? In that case, you would
have the original packages, plus packages of greater size, so your
storage space would more than double. I could have used this at times
as well, but I don't think it's practical to host that much stuff. I
find that the KDE packages are not too hard to rebuild with the provided
spec files. You can build the KDE packages with debugging by passing an
option (--enable-debug=full) at the ./configure step. According to the
spec files I've looked at, you just have to define the debug variable
when you do the RPM build.
Paul
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Paul Kopacz wrote:
> Aren't the debug info packages just the same packages with the debugging
> information left in (i.e. unstripped binaries)?
No. kdebase-debuginfo, for example, is the debugging info extracted
from all binaries and libraries in all the other kdebase pkgs.
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