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1. Fwd: kde-redhat-users digest, Vol 1 #970 - 7 msgs (Anthony J. H. M. Meijer)
2. Fwd: kde-redhat-users digest, Vol 1 #970 - 7 msgs (Anthony J. H. M. Meijer)
3. lipstik (Wojciech Jarosz)
4. Package Manager Confusion (Eli Wapniarski 8)
5. Re: Re: 64 bit Computing (Gilboa Davara)
6. Re: Re: 64 bit Computing (Rex Dieter)
7. Apologies (Anthony J. H. M. Meijer)
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On Thu, 29 Sep 2005 16:59 Wes Hardaker <wjhns68@hardakers.net>
>Anthony> I've recently upgraded to FC4. Before I used RH9 and kpilot
>Anthony> worked fine. Since the upgrade, syncing my PDA to Korganizer
>Anthony> has been problematic. I checked over the kdepim(-users)
>Anthony> mailinglist and it appears that the version of pilot-link
>Anthony> shipped with FC4 is a pre-release, not supported, has known
>Anthony> problems and should not have been shipped in the first
>Anthony> place. As a result kpilot is not working properly.
>Anthony> So, the question is: is this the experience of people here as
>Anthony> well ? If so, would it be possible to generate a version of
>Anthony> kdepim linked against pilot-link 0.11.8 ?
>I had really annoying problems with kpilot on FC4. The other option
>is to actually install pilot-link from CVS by hand which is at least
>the same version number and thus should work.
>Now, having said that, when kpilot syncs my calendar it actually
>crashes my treo 650. However, I think that's a firmware issue on the
>treo and not kpilot/pilot-links fault.
Just for your information (and any other persons struggling with this): The
bug number is 165089 in bugzilla.
Greetings,
Anthony Meijer
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Rex Dieter wrote:
>> So, the question is: is this the experience of people here as well ? If so,
>> would it be possible to generate a version of kdepim linked against
>> pilot-link 0.11.8 ?
>Realistically? No, not without gutting everything else
>dependant-on/built against the new(er) pilot-link.
On my machine it is actually not too bad. pilot-link, libmal, and kdepim would
need to be rebuilt. Of course, I will be to take care that updates do not
clobber the rebuilt setup... :-(
Greetings (and thanks for all the stellar work),
Anthony
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From: Wojciech Jarosz <wjarosz@ucsd.edu>
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Any chance of updating lipstik to version 1.3? The one at kde-redhat-stable is
at version 1.1.
link: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=18223
thanks,
-wojciech
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Hi Everyone
Sorry about the length of this message and beating what seems to be a dead horse, but \
I'm genuinely confused. I've been experimenting with yum, smart and apt-get over the \
last week. All three package managers are configured with the same repositories / \
channels.
This is sorta not off topic because it has a direct impact on the stability of \
kde-redhat on a computer. And as such its kinda important.
Trying to make a comparison as to which one is genuinely better. Which one I can \
trust.
The prompt for help came after I resolved a conflict with mjpegtools, but it affects \
kde-redhat installation as well. The explanations follow.
The real problem and question is how to I get either yum or smart to handle \
dependancies as well as apt-get? I will have to move to one or the other soon enough. \
I do not want to spend all my spare time testing either of them.
Any help or advice would be greatly appreciated
Eli
FIRST SOURCE OF CONFUSION - DIRECT IMPACT ON KDE-REDHAT
Observations and Confustion
smart does not seem to handle dependancies as well as yum or apt-get. The confusion \
that I have here, is how to set priorities correctly, so that I only get kde packages \
from kde-redhat and not ignore base repos from Fedora?
The Problem
The problem does not plaque yum or Apt-get. However, running smart without ignoring \
base Fedora repos is problematic for kde-redhat, that is if I don't set priority to \
-1 on the os, updates and extras Fedora channels, essentially ignoring those repos, \
smart wants to:
upgrade packages - kdeaddons-3.4.2-0.fc4.1@i386
kdenetwork-7:3.4.2-0.fc4.1@i386
downgrade packages - kdeaddons-3.4.2-0.fc4.1@i386
kdenetwork-7:3.4.2-0.fc4.1@i386
remove packages - kdeaddons-atlantikdesigner-3.4.2-1.0.fc4.kde@i386
kdenetwork-devel-7:3.4.2-1.4.fc4.kde@i386
SECOND SOURCE OF CONFUSION - CONFLICTS BETWEEN REPOSITORIES
Observation and Question
smart seems to try to be too "smart". yum pretends to be smarter than it actually is. \
apt-get admits when its confused. How do I get smart and yum to ignore conflicts \
between repositories and allow me to continue with the packages that are not in \
conflict and then resolve the issues manually?
Installed Packages: mjpegtools-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4
mjpegtools-devel-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4
mjpegtools-libs-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4
transcode-1.0.0-0.lvn.3.4
The Problem
1) Running smart update
Upgrade - transcode-1.0.0-2.2.fc4.rf@i386
Downgrade - mjpegtools-1.6.3-0.2.rc2.2.fc4@i686
2) Running yum update
Updating
transcode i386 1.0.0-2.2.fc4.rf rpmforge
Installing Dependencies
mjpegtools i686 1.6.3-0.2.rc2.2.fc4 freshrpms
3) Running apt-get update
The following packages have been kept back
transcode (1.0.0-0.lvn.3.4 => 1.0.0-2.2.fc4)
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<html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /></head><body \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Sans"> <p><span style="font-family:Courier">Hi \
Everyone</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">Sorry about the length of this message and \
beating what seems to be a dead horse, but I'm genuinely confused. I've been \
experimenting with yum, smart and apt-get over the last week. All three package \
managers are configured with the same repositories / channels.</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">This is sorta not off topic because it has a \
direct impact on the stability of kde-redhat on a computer. And as such its kinda \
important.</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">Trying to make a comparison as to which one is \
genuinely better. Which one I can trust.</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">The prompt for help came after I resolved a \
conflict with mjpegtools, but it affects kde-redhat installation as well. The \
explanations follow.</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">The real problem and question is how to I get \
either yum or smart to handle dependancies as well as apt-get? I will have to move to \
one or the other soon enough. I do not want to spend all my spare time testing either \
of them.</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">Any help or advice would be greatly \
appreciated</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">Eli</span></p>
<p></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier;text-decoration:underline">FIRST SOURCE OF \
CONFUSION - DIRECT IMPACT ON KDE-REDHAT</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier;text-decoration:underline">Observations and \
Confustion</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier">smart does not seem to \
handle dependancies as well as yum or apt-get. The confusion that I have here, is how \
to set priorities correctly, so that I only get kde packages from kde-redhat and not \
ignore base repos from Fedora?</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier;text-decoration:underline">The Problem</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">The problem does not plaque yum or Apt-get. \
However, running smart without ignoring base Fedora repos is problematic for \
kde-redhat, that is if I don't set priority to -1 on the os, updates and extras \
Fedora channels, essentially ignoring those repos, smart wants to:</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">upgrade packages - \
kdeaddons-3.4.2-0.fc4.1@i386</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier"> \
kdenetwork-7:3.4.2-0.fc4.1@i386</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">downgrade packages - \
kdeaddons-3.4.2-0.fc4.1@i386</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier"> \
kdenetwork-7:3.4.2-0.fc4.1@i386</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">remove packages - \
kdeaddons-atlantikdesigner-3.4.2-1.0.fc4.kde@i386</span></p> <p><span \
style="font-family:Courier"> \
kdenetwork-devel-7:3.4.2-1.4.fc4.kde@i386</span></p> <p></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier;text-decoration:underline">SECOND SOURCE OF \
CONFUSION - CONFLICTS BETWEEN REPOSITORIES</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier;text-decoration:underline">Observation and \
Question</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier">smart seems to try to be too \
"smart". yum pretends to be smarter than it actually is. apt-get admits \
when its confused. How do I get smart and yum to ignore conflicts between \
repositories and allow me to continue with the packages that are not in conflict and \
then resolve the issues manually?</span></p> <p></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">Installed Packages: \
mjpegtools-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier"> \
mjpegtools-devel-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier"> \
mjpegtools-libs-1.8.0-0.lvn.1.4</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier"> \
transcode-1.0.0-0.lvn.3.4 </span></p> <p><span \
style="font-family:Courier;text-decoration:underline">The Problem</span></p> <p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">1) Running smart update</span></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">Upgrade - \
transcode-1.0.0-2.2.fc4.rf@i386</span></p> <p><span \
style="font-family:Courier">Downgrade - \
mjpegtools-1.6.3-0.2.rc2.2.fc4@i686</span></p> <p></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">2) Running yum update</span></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">Updating</span></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">transcode i386 \
1.0.0-2.2.fc4.rf rpmforge</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier">Installing \
Dependencies</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier">mjpegtools \
i686 1.6.3-0.2.rc2.2.fc4 freshrpms</span></p> <p></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">3) Running apt-get update</span></p>
<p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:Courier">The following packages have been kept \
back</span></p> <p><span style="font-family:Courier"> transcode (1.0.0-0.lvn.3.4 \
=> 1.0.0-2.2.fc4)</span></p> <p></p>
<p></p>
</body></html>
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Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2005 17:04:09 +0300
From: Gilboa Davara <gilboada@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: [kde-redhat-users] Re: 64 bit Computing
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Rex,
OK, I'm slowly starting the build problems.
Can you please post a list of the /known/ dependencies that need
replacing (and/or rebuild) in-order to get MP3 and DVD support?
Gilboa
On Thu, 2005-09-29 at 08:14 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
> Gilboa Davara wrote:
> > Last question: (for now :))
> > Should I work against stable or unstable/testing?
>
> For getting started, stick with stable. Once you get the hang of
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> warned, it eats babies". (-:
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On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, Gilboa Davara wrote:
> OK, I'm slowly starting the build problems.
> Can you please post a list of the /known/ dependencies that need
> replacing (and/or rebuild) in-order to get MP3 and DVD support?
dvd? Nothing that I'm aware of.
mp3: lame, libmad. Both of these dependancies are already set as
BuildRequires for several packages, including (but not necessarily limited
to): arts, kdemultimedia
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Subject: [kde-redhat-users] Apologies
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Dear All,
Of course messages labelled "Fwd: kde-redhat-users digest, Vol 1 #970 - 7
msgs" should have been labelled "Kpilot problems". Apologies for any
confusion.
Greetings,
Anthony Meijer
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