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Subject:    Re: [kde-promo] Questions regarding dot and planet
From:       Jens Reuterberg <jens () ohyran ! se>
Date:       2015-05-03 0:04:53
Message-ID: 23078053.blnNAyUhQW () cuddles
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Ok about redesign/recommunication - we in the VDG has been sort of pushing for 
one for a while - with some initial snags every here and there.

As for outside communication - there are a ton of tricky bits that need to be 
addressed.
Do the KDE community want a change of communication? I mean for you and me 
Harold, a change in communication is obviously needed and I think we both see 
why the current state of communication is sort of lackluster but we still have 
to "flow to the whim of the great magnet" and see more clearly how KDE as a 
whole want this to go.

From my POV - KDE's communication may be brilliant if you are technically 
minded. I don't know since I'm not technically minded. The dot, paradoxically 
has always been where I went for info and then read between the lines 
essentially. Not because its great, but because it is the news source 
available.
Aside from that we do have to, as you (Harold) point out, rely to press which 
of course moves communication straight out of our hands.

What all this essentially boils down to is what the KDE community want from 
communication and in the long run what the aim for KDE should be. This is a 
subject we have talked at length about but its a very uphill thing. For the 
people INSIDE the community the issue seems often to be "how to get people to 
read our things" instead of "how to write things people would like to read" - 
and then the natural debate of what "people" you are talking about pops up 
again. 

We managed to push through "simple by default, powerful when needed" in 
regards to Plasma - as some kind of focus to fling a coat - but even that is 
fairly... lets just say that as communication goes its something that may be 
popped on businesscards but not actually communicated. 

My point is: we have a severe problem with communication (with all that 
communication entails, inside and out) and even though there are a few quick 
fixes they are gaffa tape slapped on the holes of Hoover Dam. 
But this has to be something that comes from the community in some way - as 
one single thing instead of smaller entities putting out the most disastrous 
fires when they flare up. 

On Saturday, May 02, 2015 06:33:04 PM Harold Schreckengost wrote:
> Hit the nail on the head. Even if we only provide a product that is "sold"
> by others, we still want our "customers" to get excited about our offerings
> or be able to learn more about what we offer or how to help.
> On May 2, 2015 6:20 PM, "Valorie Zimmerman" <valorie.zimmerman@gmail.com>
> 
> wrote:
> > On Sat, May 2, 2015 at 10:34 AM, Carl Symons <carlsymons@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 05/02/2015 09:07 AM, Harold Schreckengost wrote:
> > > > If cleaning up the main site is already in the pipeline, we could use
> > > > it
> > > > as an opportunity to investigate making it more geared to users.
> > > 
> > > Hello Harold,
> > > 
> > > What are your ideas about who the users are? How would you characterize
> > > "users"? What would make the main site (kde.org) more geared to those
> > 
> > users?
> > 
> > > BTW, I am not aware that cleaning and simplifying the mainpage is in the
> > > pipeline. Has there been any discussion about that? If so, where would
> > 
> > one
> > 
> > > find it?
> > > 
> > > Carl
> > 
> > Hi Carl, we have discussed it somewhat on the WWW list. After the Docs
> > workshop at Akademy last year, it was evident to all of us
> > participants that even for the technically savvy person who just
> > wanted to contribute to the docs in some way, the mainsite was not
> > working.
> > 
> > Ingo was doing some behind-the-scenes work on the site first, so we've
> > left most of the changes for the future.
> > 
> > Some folks have stepped forward to do a redesign, but again, that's on
> > hold for now.
> > 
> > > > On May 2, 2015 5:23 AM, "Markus Slopianka" <kamikazow@gmx.de
> > > > 
> > > > <mailto:kamikazow@gmx.de>> wrote:
> > > > On Saturday 02 May 2015 01:11:56 Valorie Zimmerman wrote:
> > > > > Isn't this really who http://www.kde.org is for? Given that the
> > > > > mainpage needs cleaning and simplifying - who else but users or
> > > > > possible users do we present the website for?
> > > > 
> > > > Considering that we (with a few notable exceptions) only release
> > > > source code
> > > > and not ready-to-use products, I'd say the main website is for
> > > > anybody who's
> > > > skilled enough to compile software.
> > 
> > I have to strongly disagree here. KDE is a community, and we Do Not
> > Require technical expertise from users or contributors. I didn't learn
> > to compile for quite awhile after becoming a contributor, and I don't
> > do it often, since I'm not a coder.
> > 
> > We want our site to be useful for those who are thinking about using
> > KDE on their desktops or other devices, but don't know much about us.
> > 
> > We want our site to be useful for those considering volunteering some
> > of their time and expertise to us.
> > 
> > We want our site to be useful for those who want to contribute money
> > or other valuable things to further our work.
> > 
> > Right?
> > 
> > Valorie
> > 
> > --
> > http://about.me/valoriez
> > 
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