From kde-promo Tue Feb 18 13:54:23 2014 From: Jos Poortvliet Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2014 13:54:23 +0000 To: kde-promo Subject: Re: [kde-promo] Article about Baloo Message-Id: <6636895.JEz3rJoSib () linux-606j> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-promo&m=139273136521708 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============7206965158523874954==" --===============7206965158523874954== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1745754.kgdEBmlKeQ"; micalg="pgp-sha1"; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --nextPart1745754.kgdEBmlKeQ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" On Tuesday 18 February 2014 14:54:04 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > On Tuesday 18 February 2014 14:30:13 Aaron J. Seigo wrote: > > On Monday, February 17, 2014 20:42:42 Carl Symons wrote: > > > On 02/17/2014 05:03 PM, Markus Slopianka wrote: > > > > On Monday 17 February 2014 23:29:47 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > > >> Let's not go there, the decision for the name was taken a long= time > > > >> ago. > > > >> But you DID give me a good laugh... =F0=9F=98=8E > > > >=20 > > > > Just sayin' and nothing is set in stone until the release was m= ade... > > > > I am 100 % confident in Vishesh's skills that the framework wil= l be > > > > great > > > > but let's be honest: The name is inviting trolls... > > >=20 > > > If we can't fix it, we should feature it. > >=20 > > Well, that=E2=80=99s just it. It *can* be fixed. > >=20 > > The main problem is that any given developer can freely alter somet= hing > > that has profound PR ramifications on the whole of KDE. Given that = few > > developers have experience with public communication or media relat= ions, > > this is a recipe for disaster. > >=20 > > Honestly, this rename should never have happened in the first place= . The > > cost to KDE is significant in terms of throwing away prior public > > communication and the introduction of confusion. (This confusion is= > > visible all over social media right now..) >=20 > Breathe, breathe ;-) >=20 > > In this case the developer actually went back on their word to not = make > > the new name a publicly visible brand, which has compounded the iss= ue > > because, since I trusted their word on this, there was little advan= ce > > work done to head off the obvious fallout that would ensue, such as= seen > > today on Phoronix. > >=20 > > The talk in this thread of creating a logo/icon for Baloo is wildly= > > misdirected as well. There is a logo/icon for =E2=80=9Cdesktop sear= ch=E2=80=9D in KDE > > already. Swapping it out serves none of our users and works directl= y > > against public communications continuity. >=20 > I agree that Baloo shouldn't have any obvious branding other than the= > search thing we already have. >=20 > > If KDE wants to have a chance of presenting itself well, this appro= ach > > needs to stop. Developers need to hand management of public brandin= g and > > PR to people who can provide more skillful direction that ensures > > continuity. > >=20 > > We managed to do this with artwork and other things, it can be done= here > > as well. But as long as kde-promo supports the status quo by workin= g > > around the issues instead of trying to put in place sensible method= s, it > > is unlikely to happen. >=20 > I'm about half-way there with you. I agree with the principle, but as= with > artwork (where developers still have plenty of say) I think this shou= ld be > in both hands at once. >=20 > Which puts (as you rightly do) the blame as much on us as anyone - we= > should step up more, as marketing/promo people, when it comes to bran= ding. >=20 > So yes, perhaps we should have said to Vishesh that Baloo is not a pe= rfect > name. >=20 > Meanwhile, I didn't think of anything horrible and still don't feel i= t is > that bad *and* it seems nobody has hammered on this point yet - I sug= gest > we stick with it. Besides, in our communication we should indeed call= it > 'search' or 'semantic search' and nothing else anyway. >=20 > How about we end this discussion, push out the article asap (vishesh,= any > input on things that were ported? the rest seems good to go). >=20 > Huge thanks for Stu for his excellent editing. 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