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List:       kde-panel-devel
Subject:    Minutes Monday Plasma Hangout
From:       Sebastian =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=FCgler?= <sebas () kde ! org>
Date:       2018-01-29 11:37:20
Message-ID: 1546836.ds51zVJpUi () miro
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Notes of today's meeting...

Enjoy!
-- 
sebas

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["minutes-week-05.txt" (minutes-week-05.txt)]

Plasma Team Meeting, 29 january 2018

Present: Sho, notmart, d_ed, bshah, frinring, sebas

Sho:
i wrote patches for kio and kjobwidgets in an attempt to make kio confirmation \
dialogs spawned from fv modal all the right props show up on the windowm but it \
doesn't work anyway, don't know why yet and i wrote \
https://blogs.kde.org/2018/01/24/and-again-story-kde-plasmas-desktop-icons-512-improvement


notmart:
* some bug triaging
* finally push the qml rewrite of mouse cursor theme kcm
* push the qml rewrite of the fonts kcm
* pushed an old plasma high dpi patch
* pushed kwin tablet mode available patch
* further work on the tablet mode kernel patch, *hopefully* latest version is ready \
                to land
* parametrized import version of qqc2 in plasma controls as well, fixes discover and \
                other apps in plasma mobile
* review for exposing the tablet mode api to Kirigami D10112
Diff 10112 "watch the tabletMode from KWin" [Needs Review] \
                https://phabricator.kde.org/D10112
* fiddling with dolphin and scrolling: D10102 needs to be tested with libinput-based \
*and a Qt with* https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/212398/ Diff 10102 "base \
scrolling on the smallest item" [Closed] https://phabricator.kde.org/D10102

d_ed:
* I fixed autohiding panels and wayland; I doubt it ever worked properly there
* I've taken over fixing the notification HTML parsing issue so that we can get it \
into 5.12, as it's potentially a privacy thing

frinring:
set myself the goal to clean up neighbourhood of weather applet to leave it in sane \
state once turning to other things again for that ported anything left away from \
kdelibs4support also did come c++11 brush up (nullptr, override)
and removed unused stuff from buildsystem
next on that plan execution will be the forementioned wiping of all unported code
ported two runners (konsolesession, charsomething), mediawiki runner one as well \
though currently impeded by milou getting in its way

bshah:
- Published blog post on how to test PlaMo : \
                http://blog.bshah.in/2018/01/26/trying-out-plasma-mobile/
- Mostly super positive feedback so far
- Working on part 2 of blog post, and fixes in phone shell for containment not \
                showing up
- Will talk with notmart about freeze bug porters are telling about and I can't \
reproduce (just like every other bugs.. -.-)

sebas:
* kscreen bug triaging as usual
* worked a little on autorotation, some progress (a poc plasmoid rotates the screen \
                based on sensor readings, but not my touchscreen yet)
* had a meeting with Mycroft, on their plans and strategieswas productive and will \
                follow that up with the KDE e.V.
* not much else due to other work-work on my plate

The Log:
[11:59:29] <sebas> Meeting!
[11:59:33] <-- lupinix (~quassel@fedora/lupinix) has quit (Remote host closed the \
connection) [11:59:39] <Sho_> here
[11:59:42] <notmart> uuh, right
[11:59:42] <frinring> (and the mediawiki applet I have ported locally, it is just \
that milou or something screws things be invalidating the context prematurely, thus \
enforcing drop of any mediawiki search results, which themselves work. so would \
exclude it from dump as mentioned) [11:59:43] <notmart> here
[12:00:23] <d_ed> also here
[12:01:33] <sebas> Helllllloow!
[12:01:37] <sebas> Let's get started then!
[12:01:51] <sebas> Sho_ was first, then notmart, d_ed, /me and whoever shows up late
[12:02:17] <notmart> seems frinring has a lot of sweet things to mention as well :p
[12:02:38] <sebas> yes please :)
[12:02:46] <sebas> romangg you there?
[12:02:51] <sebas> Kai is on vacation I think?
[12:02:53] <Sho_> it's been a light week plasma-wise due to some other work and a \
doctor-related timeout (hurting my back) [12:03:13] <Sho_> i wrote patches for kio \
and kjobwidgets in an attempt to make kio confirmation dialogs spawned from fv modal \
[12:03:25] <Sho_> all the right props show up on the windowm but it doesn't work \
anyway [12:03:29] <Sho_> don't know why yet
[12:03:46] <Sho_> and i wrote \
https://blogs.kde.org/2018/01/24/and-again-story-kde-plasmas-desktop-icons-512-improvement
 [12:03:47] --> lupinix (~quassel@fedora/lupinix) has joined #plasma
[12:04:02] <Sho_> my 5.12 todo is fairly empty now, which is good
[12:04:16] <Sho_> we also haven't really gotten any new kastats favs reports for the \
beta, i think [12:04:27] <Sho_> next()
[12:04:45] <d_ed> Sho_: are you looking on kactivitymanagerd too?
[12:04:53] <bshah> me in meeting as well
[12:05:06] <Sho_> d_ed: no, but fvogt (iirc?) wrote a patch that fixes some crash
[12:05:06] <d_ed> there's been some, though Ivan has commented on some this week too \
which is good [12:05:28] <Sho_> d_ed: if the fav woes are db corruption, it's \
promising [12:05:41] <Sho_> d_ed: my problem is that i can't reproduce anything, \
which makes debugging hard [12:06:07] <fvogt> We had some more reports about fav \
issues, removing the kactivities DB worked every time [12:06:45] <Sho_> let's hope \
that the manager patches had some effect then [12:07:14] <Sho_> does anyone have \
anything else they want me to do before 5.12 is tagged? [12:07:16] <fvogt> They won't \
fix any existing corruption, so affected users will still be unable to save it \
[12:07:28] <Sho_> fvogt: hm [12:07:46] <d_ed> Sho_: there's one bug marked as \
criticial WRT mounting disks [12:07:49] <Sho_> sounds like the daemon needs some \
self-diagonisis to recognize a corrupt db and reset if necessary [12:07:51] <fvogt> I \
asked someone to upload a corrupted db, but it contained too much private data \
[12:07:56] <Sho_> does sqlite have some check command? [12:08:10] <Sho_> mysql also \
had a REPAIR [12:08:25] <Sho_> maybe we can throw something at dbs proactively
[12:08:35] <notmart> stackoverflow is telling me pragma integrity_check;
[12:08:37] <Sho_> d_ed: have a number?
[12:08:42] <d_ed> 389479
[12:08:59] <fvogt> Sho_: I assume that will increase startup time significantly
[12:09:01] <d_ed> not read it much, just know it's in red in the list
[12:09:30] <sebas> or use the kconfig trick, i.e. save to a different name, then \
rename the db file,so it's either fully written or not at all (dunno if sqlite has \
that sort of consistency mechanisms itsels?) [12:09:32] <Sho_> d_ed: i'll have a look \
this week with an usb stick [12:09:56] --> llucas \
(d4f4b91c@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.244.185.28) has joined #plasma [12:09:58] \
<Sho_> fvogt: maybe it can be done post-startup on a timer when the system is idle, \
something like that [12:10:02] <Sho_> fvogt: we can use kidletime
[12:10:31] <notmart> hm, looks like weird solid screweness :/
[12:10:49] <Sho_> fvogt: wouldn't be perfect and is a bit hmmm, but then again these \
dbs could corrupt over sunwinds for all we know, so an occasional proactive \
self-check and repair might be sensible anyway [12:11:14] <Sho_> ... provided sqlite \
has anything [12:11:32] <sebas> let's move on with the meeting though
[12:11:33] <sebas> notmart!
[12:11:57] <notmart> well, it's possible to make it not screw up, as firefox has \
sqlite for its bookmarks too and it's not losing them regularly... [12:12:01] \
<notmart> ok [12:12:12] <notmart> * some bug triaging
[12:12:14] <notmart> * finally push the qml rewrite of mouse cursor theme kcm
[12:12:15] <notmart> * push the qml rewrite of the fonts kcm
[12:12:17] <notmart> * pushed an old plasma high dpi patch
[12:12:18] <notmart> * pushed kwin tablet mode available patch
[12:12:20] <notmart> * further work on the tablet mode kernel patch, *hopefully* \
latest version is ready to land [12:12:21] <notmart> * parametrized import version of \
qqc2 in plasma controls as well, fixes discover and other apps in plasma mobile \
[12:12:23] <notmart> * review for exposing the tablet mode api to Kirigami D10112 \
[12:12:23] <sKreamer> Diff 10112 "watch the tabletMode from KWin" [Needs Review] \
https://phabricator.kde.org/D10112 [12:12:24] <notmart> * fiddling with dolphin and \
scrolling: D10102 needs to be tested with libinput-based *and a Qt with* \
https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/212398/ [12:12:25] <sKreamer> Diff 10102 "base \
scrolling on the smallest item" [Closed] https://phabricator.kde.org/D10102 \
[12:12:31] --> Son_Goku (~King_InuY@fedora/ngompa) has joined #plasma [12:12:47] \
<sebas> nice! [12:12:53] <notmart> (on the last one, we can either go around pushing \
ugly workaround in every app that does any form of wheel scrolling, or just say that \
qt patch is necessary) [12:13:15] <Sho_> notmart: could you look at my open review \
for the launch feedback kcm? [12:13:20] <notmart> i would need more testing by \
different people tough [12:13:25] <notmart> Sho_: sure
[12:13:37] <Sho_> i should try tablet mode soon
[12:13:49] <Sho_> i build my own kernel btw if you want me to test your kernel patch
[12:14:04] <Sho_> since it's fairly easy for me
[12:14:07] --> Safa_[A_Boy] (~safa@unaffiliated/safa-a-boy/x-6990853) has joined \
#plasma [12:14:11] <notmart> i would be surprised if it uses the same driver for it \
tough [12:14:21] <Sho_> ah it's hw-specific?
[12:14:24] <notmart> as i seen pretty much every laptop has its own little special \
way (tm) [12:14:25] <bshah> Sho_: it (the patch from notmart) probably won't work, \
but, I can help you get it working otherwise [12:14:31] <Sho_> ok
[12:14:45] <Sho_> well if the surface book is good at one thing it's needing little \
special ways [12:14:52] <bshah> :P
[12:15:14] <notmart> the one i did, apparently is something standard-ish from intel, \
so it *may* work on more laptops than mine tough so far i only got confirmation from \
dell laptops to work with it (and not even all dell laptops) [12:15:42] <bshah> \
notmart: oh, other dells are not working? [12:16:21] <notmart> bshah: Mario told me \
having tested on 3-4 laptops and there was one specific xps which was not working \
(hope was significantly older but no idea) [12:16:45] <sebas> notmart: if you're \
lucky, your kernel patch still makes it into 4.16 to be released in 3 months \
[12:16:49] <bshah> notmart: ah.. was it in patch discussion? [12:16:50] <sebas> merge \
window has just opened [12:17:05] <notmart> bshah: was in the bugzilla br \
https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=198507 [12:17:08] <bshah> ah
[12:17:35] <bshah> anyway.. maybe breakout :)
[12:17:40] <notmart> buh, last one i sent has ack by mario and pali, i guess now it's \
up to them whether to pick it up or not [12:18:18] <-- ceed^ \
(~vivaldi@c-73-16-30-241.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) has quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) \
[12:18:45] <notmart> aanyways, as last thin, Sho_: if you want to test it now without \
needing to do weird things you can launch evtest and see on all event devices if does \
print anything at all when you detach the tablet [12:18:50] <notmart> and that gives \
some clues [12:19:35] <notmart> last thing, please people test mouse/touchpèad \
scrolling with https://codereview.qt-project.org/#/c/212398/ and libinput, to be \
really sure it's the end of it [12:19:43] <notmart> aand, next(9
[12:19:49] <-- Haudegen (~quassel@178.115.237.87) has quit (Remote host closed the \
connection) [12:20:08] <sebas> d_ed's turn
[12:20:34] <d_ed> I fixed autohiding panels and wayland; I doubt it ever worked \
properly there [12:20:52] <bshah> it didn't.. yep
[12:21:02] <bshah> <- referemce : person who commited it initially
[12:21:04] <elichai2> hey, how can I lower the scale of the display? in which conf \
file is it saved? [12:21:04] --> tosky (tosky@nat/redhat/x-xwmcrnctfucikavq) has \
joined #plasma [12:21:34] <d_ed> and I've taken over fixing the notification HTML \
parsing issue so that we can get it into 5.12, as it's potentially a privacy thing \
[12:21:35] <sebas> elichai2: ~/.local/share/kscreen/* [12:21:42] <bshah> elichai2: \
hey, we are currently having our weekly meeting, can you wait little bit or ask in \
#kde ? [12:22:00] <elichai2> oh. i'm sorry, please continue.
[12:22:11] <d_ed> It's pretty much done
[12:22:14] <d_ed> next
[12:22:30] <sebas> frinring!?
[12:23:45] <Sho_> notmart: also, good point about the firefox thing, worth looking \
into what they do [12:23:46] <frinring> k, can do some note, though was just \
exceptional burst [12:24:00] <Sho_> frinring: then time for an exceptional report :D
[12:24:03] <sebas> you can still get some meeting fame for that, frinring :)
[12:24:57] <frinring> set myself the goal to clean up neighbourhood of weather applet \
to leave it in sane state once turning to other things again [12:25:18] <frinring> \
for that ported anything left away from kdelibs4support [12:25:36] <frinring> also \
did come c++11 brush up (nullptr, override) [12:25:46] <-- Son_Goku \
(~King_InuY@fedora/ngompa) has quit (Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…) \
[12:25:46] <frinring> and removed unused stuff from buildsystem [12:26:20] <frinring> \
next on that plan execution will be the forementioned wiping of all unported code \
[12:26:56] <jubalh> bshah: unfortunately i already tried the newest ISO available :/ \
[12:27:12] <jubalh> curious as of why I seem to be the only one having an issue with \
this [12:27:14] <frinring> ah, and ported two runners (konsolesession, \
charsomething), mediawiki runner one as well though currently impeded by milou \
getting in its way [12:27:23] <frinring> .
[12:27:27] <-- fekepp (~Thunderbi@2a00:1398:9:fb00:2db7:f2ce:6a92:f34c) has quit \
(Remote host closed the connection) [12:27:38] <sebas> thanks, frinring!
[12:27:41] <sebas> bshah's turn
[12:27:45] --> fekepp (~Thunderbi@2a00:1398:9:fb00:2db7:f2ce:6a92:f34c) has joined \
#plasma [12:27:49] <bshah> okay
[12:28:05] <bshah> jubalh: moment, let me finish up with this meeting which is going \
on at moment here  :) [12:28:16] <bshah> - Published blog post on how to test PlaMo : \
http://blog.bshah.in/2018/01/26/trying-out-plasma-mobile/ [12:28:18] <bshah> - Mostly \
super positive feedback so far [12:28:20] <bshah> - Working on part 2 of blog post, \
and fixes in phone shell for containment not showing up [12:28:22] <bshah> - Will \
talk with notmart about freeze bug porters are telling about and I can't reproduce \
(just like every other bugs.. -.-) [12:28:46] <bshah> questions? or next  :)
[12:29:27] <sebas> * kscreen bug triaging as usual
[12:29:27] <sebas> * worked a little on autorotation, some progress (a poc plasmoid \
rotates the screen based on sensor readings, but not my touchscreen yet) [12:29:27] \
<sebas> * had a meeting with Mycroft, on their plans and strategieswas productive and \
will follow that up with the KDE e.V. [12:29:27] <sebas> * not much else due to other \
work-work on my plate [12:30:01] <sebas> aaaaaand .... done! :) Thanks everybody for \
tuning in! I'll send the notes to the list shortly [12:30:20] <d_ed> kwin also \
rotates on sensor readings, we need to be sure we don't have duplication



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