From kde-panel-devel Tue Oct 14 09:42:13 2014 From: Martin Klapetek Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 09:42:13 +0000 To: kde-panel-devel Subject: Re: Auto-hiding panels Message-Id: X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-panel-devel&m=141327977317289 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============6915860819307829653==" --===============6915860819307829653== Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01228d444f3e7305055ed681 --089e01228d444f3e7305055ed681 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Marco Martin wrote: > On Tuesday 14 October 2014, Martin Klapetek wrote: > > > > I'd like to change this for Plasma panels to not have any resistance or > > very minimal one, basically get it into a state that slamming the mouse > > against a screen edge will show the panel easily, without requiring an > > additional push. > > i'm a bit concerned this would cause a lot of unwanted activations, is the > first complain i hear about autohide panels, and the reson back in the > days i > stopped using them In this case it's the 'wanted' activation that's not working too nicely. I think that auto-hiding panel that requires two slams against a screen edge to appear is just worse to have than couple of unwanted activations. As for non-precise pointing devices - this might actually highlight the problem even more - you may not be too precise with it, so what you do is you slam the pointer towards the edge, that's the easiest thing you can do with less-precise devices - drag it/push it strongly in one direction. But the current state actually requires careful navigation around the screenedge like slow movement towards it or doing the same movement twice to trigger the panel, so imo the current situation is even worse with those devices (and I'm thinking people with lessened hand mobility, trackballs, touchpads and stylus-tablets...what I missed?). There is also another angle to this - we could make the auto-hiding algorithm more clever and better handling the unwanted activation - eg. if you quickly go to the edge and quickly go out, the hiding delay could be minimal, if you stay longer or not move so quickly away from the panel, the hiding delay could be longer etc. Eike did some similar stuff in Kicker. Cheers -- Martin Klapetek | KDE Developer --089e01228d444f3e7305055ed681 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= ue, Oct 14, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Marco Martin <notmart@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday 14 = October 2014, Martin Klapetek wrote:
>
> I'd like to change this for Plasma panels to not have any resistan= ce or
> very minimal one, basically get it into a state that slamming the mous= e
> against a screen edge will show the panel easily, without requiring an=
> additional push.

i'm a bit concerned this would cause a lot of unwanted activatio= ns, is the
first complain i hear about autohide panels, and the reson back in the days= i
stopped using them

In this case it's th= e 'wanted' activation that's not working too nicely. I think th= at auto-hiding panel that requires two slams against a screen edge to appea= r is just worse to have than couple of unwanted activations.

=
As for non-precise pointing devices - this might actually highli= ght the problem even more - you may not be too precise with it, so what you= do is you slam the pointer towards the edge, that's the easiest thing = you can do with less-precise devices - drag it/push it strongly in one dire= ction. But the current state actually requires careful navigation around th= e screenedge like slow movement towards it or doing the same movement twice= to trigger the panel, so imo the current situation is even worse with thos= e devices (and I'm thinking people with lessened hand mobility, trackba= lls, touchpads and stylus-tablets...what I missed?).

There i= s also another angle to this - we could make the auto-hiding algorithm more= clever and better handling the unwanted activation - eg. if you quickly go= to the edge and quickly go out, the hiding delay could be minimal, if you = stay longer or not move so quickly away from the panel, the hiding delay co= uld be longer etc. Eike did some similar stuff in Kicker.
=

Cheers
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Martin Klapetek | KDE=C2=A0Developer
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