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Subject: Re: VDG suggestions and wishes about the system tray
From: Thomas Pfeiffer <colomar () autistici ! org>
Date: 2014-08-30 12:31:16
Message-ID: 5615837.IHeTJujrWZ () lenovo
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On Thursday 28 August 2014 12:14:28 Sebastian K=FCgler wrote:
> On Thursday, August 28, 2014 12:08:04 Martin Klapetek wrote:
> > On Thu, Aug 28, 2014 at 12:02 PM, Sebastian K=FCgler <sebas@kde.org> wr=
ote:
> > =
> > On Tuesday, August 26, 2014 22:00:54 Eike Hein wrote:
> > > Hiding "passive" status notifier items robs the user of an
> > > entire tier of organization when deciding how near/far they
> > > want to place a running app.
> > =
> > This may also encourage more abuse: i.e. not setting the status to hidd=
en,
> > ever. Remember that we're often dealing with apps who want to forego be=
ing
> > shown in the taskbar (presumably to save space). Effectively, this means
> > that apps will set their status to always be active, leading to more
> > clutter in the panel.
> > =
> > On the other hand, it's how Unity (and maybe others?) work for years.
> > Let's
> > find out if it was a real problem for them and about how many apps are
> > they
> > aware of abusing this?
> =
> Ah, yes, thought about that, too.
> =
> I agree that it could be tried, but I wouldn't be surprised if for Plasma,
> we come to a different conclusion. There's a certain difference in the
> "audiences" between Unity and Plasma, and that might very well manifest
> itself in apps having problems with this behaviour in Plasma (those that
> don't care about Unity). On the other hand, more consistent behaviour
> between statusnotifier implementations is probably a good thing.
I just looked up the draft specification (since there is no final one yet) =
from our side [1] and looky what I found:
"Passive: The item doesn't convey important information to the user, it can=
be =
considered an "idle" status and is likely that visualizations will chose to =
hide it."
Yes, that doesn't say that Plasma will definitely hide passive SNIs, but =
according to this specification, developers should actually _expect_ =
visualizations to hide passive SNIs. So, according to this specification, =
applications that rely on passive SNIs _not_ to be hidden are clearly doing=
it =
wrong, and we could hit them over the head with the spec if they complain.
[1] http://www.notmart.org/misc/statusnotifieritem/statusnotifieritem.html
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