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Subject: Re: Plasma 5 RC
From: James Cain <james.cain.25 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2014-07-08 18:32:55
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On Tue, Jul 8, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Martin Graesslin <mgraesslin@kde.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday 08 July 2014 18:45:41 John Layt wrote:
> > On 7 July 2014 10:16, Jonathan Riddell <jr@jriddell.org> wrote:
> > > On Fri, Jul 04, 2014 at 10:36:00AM +0100, John Layt wrote:
> > >> Co-installabilty of Plasma 4 and Plasma 5 with minimal work required
> > >> by the distros is a must if we want to avoid the mess of KDE4.
> > >> Already openSUSE has announced that you can't have both installed at
> > >> once, which will force people to choose one or other, when what we
> > >> really want is for them to be able to try Plasma 5 out while still
> > >> being able to switch back to 4 if there are things that break their
> > >> workflow.
> > >
> > > They won't be co-installable just as konsole won't be co-installable
> > > with its kdelibs4 version, it's a new version of the same programme.
> > > But the parts that are used by applications, libraries and runtime
> > > parts need to be co-installable so kdelibs4 and kf5 applications can
> > > be installed on the same system.
> >
> > Hmmm, well that's not quite what I was expecting, I was hoping to be
> > able to install them in parallel and test it out while keeping my old
> > desktop safe, like I can install and try Gnome or Unity or XFCE. I
> > don't expect to have parallel installs of apps though, the latest
> > version should just run under any desktop. No Plasma 5 for me then
> > until a couple more releases and it's stabilised :-\
>
> A few random thoughts:
> * some parts (e.g. KWin) are co-installable and can be used in a kde4
> session
> * some distros (e.g. openSUSE) offer the possibility to easily switch, you
> can
> go back to a kde4 session
> * stability is way better than you would think. I cannot remember when I
> had
> the last crash of plasmashell of kwin_x11 and I'm not restarting all those
> parts every few minutes (e.g. today I neither restarted plasmashell or
> kwin_x11 as I was working on different stuff)
>
> So I'd say: give it a try if your distro offers a forward and backward
> path. If
> your distro doesn't offer such a path, nag ;-)
>
> Cheers
> Martin
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>
Also IIRC Kubuntu's Project Neon offers a safe way to test Plasma 5.
Between Kubuntu and Suse, I think we're pretty covered here.
- James
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<div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, \
Jul 8, 2014 at 2:04 PM, Martin Graesslin <span dir="ltr"><<a \
href="mailto:mgraesslin@kde.org" target="_blank">mgraesslin@kde.org</a>></span> \
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc \
solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="">On Tuesday 08 July 2014 18:45:41 John Layt \
wrote:<br> > On 7 July 2014 10:16, Jonathan Riddell <<a \
href="mailto:jr@jriddell.org">jr@jriddell.org</a>> wrote:<br> > > On Fri, \
Jul 04, 2014 at 10:36:00AM +0100, John Layt wrote:<br> > >> Co-installabilty \
of Plasma 4 and Plasma 5 with minimal work required<br> > >> by the distros \
is a must if we want to avoid the mess of KDE4.<br> > >> Already openSUSE \
has announced that you can't have both installed at<br> > >> once, which \
will force people to choose one or other, when what we<br> > >> really want \
is for them to be able to try Plasma 5 out while still<br> > >> being able \
to switch back to 4 if there are things that break their<br> > >> \
workflow.<br> > ><br>
> > They won't be co-installable just as konsole won't be \
co-installable<br> > > with its kdelibs4 version, it's a new version of the \
same programme.<br> > > But the parts that are used by applications, libraries \
and runtime<br> > > parts need to be co-installable so kdelibs4 and kf5 \
applications can<br> > > be installed on the same system.<br>
><br>
> Hmmm, well that's not quite what I was expecting, I was hoping to be<br>
> able to install them in parallel and test it out while keeping my old<br>
> desktop safe, like I can install and try Gnome or Unity or XFCE. I<br>
> don't expect to have parallel installs of apps though, the latest<br>
> version should just run under any desktop. No Plasma 5 for me then<br>
> until a couple more releases and it's stabilised :-\<br>
<br>
</div>A few random thoughts:<br>
* some parts (e.g. KWin) are co-installable and can be used in a kde4 session<br>
* some distros (e.g. openSUSE) offer the possibility to easily switch, you can<br>
go back to a kde4 session<br>
* stability is way better than you would think. I cannot remember when I had<br>
the last crash of plasmashell of kwin_x11 and I'm not restarting all those<br>
parts every few minutes (e.g. today I neither restarted plasmashell or<br>
kwin_x11 as I was working on different stuff)<br>
<br>
So I'd say: give it a try if your distro offers a forward and backward path. \
If<br> your distro doesn't offer such a path, nag ;-)<br>
<br>
Cheers<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font \
color="#888888">Martin</font></span><br>_______________________________________________<br>
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<br></blockquote></div><br><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet \
ms,sans-serif">Also IIRC Kubuntu's Project Neon offers a safe way to test \
Plasma 5. Between Kubuntu and Suse, I think we're pretty covered here. <br>
<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:trebuchet ms,sans-serif">- \
James</div><br></div></div>
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