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Subject: Re: [calligra] krita: save mirror, erase, composite op and mirror
From: Sven Langkamp <sven.langkamp () gmail ! com>
Date: 2011-05-29 20:16:21
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On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Silvio Heinrich <plassy@web.de> wrote:
> On 05/29/2011 12:22 AM, David REVOY wrote:
> > Hi Silvio,
> >
> > I disagree here with you. This actual behavior speedup a lot my workflow
> > here and usage with Krita.
> >
> http://david.revoy.free.fr/forums/krita/2011-05-28_krita-preset_deevad.zip
> > I did this brushkit (link above) with taking advantage of it ; check the
> > HSY color airbrush, and dodge explosion brush ; the result is I can
> > build my preset and be sure about the result I will got after select
> > them to paint.
> >
> > But I also understand your point of view even if I don't use it this
> > way. Anticipating multiple usage are the way of a good software ; and I
> > don't want to impose a way to do.
> > So, I would suggest to add a icon acting as a checkbox in the top tool
> > bar to 'lock' the opacity and blending mode. (
> > http://www.new-hampshire-locksmith.com/lock_icon2.gif ) . If user 'lock'
> > the preset won't load global opacity and keep the active blending mode.
> > A design like this can make happy all the way to use it , imo. Say me
> > what you think about it.
> > Best regards,
> >
> > -David
>
> Hmm... ok :)
> I think you did misunderstand me.
> I think you just want to be able to save a blending mode to a preset,
> so that you don't have to set it manually every time.
> That is fine and I want this too.
>
> But there are various issues with the way it is done currently.
>
> 1. A preset should be able to overwrite the global blending mode but
> only --> explicitly <--
> This means having an option in the preset editor where you can choose
> the blending mode
> you want to use for this preset.
> When this option is activated, the global blending mode will be overwritten
> by the blending mode from the preset (when the preset is loaded).
> If this option isn't activated, the global blending mode should not change.
>
> 2. I see no reason why the global opacity should be saved to the preset
> since
> we now have a slider in the opacity option in the preset editor.
> It does exactly the same. The global opacity option is simply for
> changing the
> opacity quickly while you are painting, so that you don't have to open
> the preset editor
> every time. If you want to save the opacity, just change the opacity in
> the preset editor
> save it and let the global opacity at 100%.
>
> 3. There is no user feedback what actually will be saved. Sven said that
> he saves the
> Mirroring options too... I mean these are also global options that
> normally affect all paintOps.
> This breaks the UI logic. For example. It would be the same if you go to
> the
> preferences, go to "Tablet Settings" and change something. Then you save
> a preset and the
> "Tablet Settings" will be saved to the preset and every time you load
> this preset the "Tablet Settings" will
> be changed. It should be obvious that this would be really confusing,
> since the tablet settings
> are considered to be global.
>
> 4. I don't know exactly what Sven changed but it seems to be a bit
> fragile :P.
> Some of the presets you gave to me are not usable/broken (they have this
> red cross after loading).
> And there is this strangle behavior that when loading a preset that uses
> the "Wash" painting mode
> and then loading a preset for the color smudge brush the painting mode
> is not set back to "Built Up".
> But the color smudge brush doesn't work in "Wash" mode (this is why i
> didn't include this option).
> Ok, I will be fair. This could also be caused by the broken presets.
> A while ago I noticed some similar behavior. I think a broken preset can
> somehow mess up
> the internal state of the whole preset system.
>
>
Definitely not fragile :) That is totally unrelated. The red x only shows
that the brush referenced in that preset isn't installed,
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, May 29, 2011 at 6:08 AM, Silvio Heinrich <span \
dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:plassy@web.de">plassy@web.de</a>></span> \
wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px \
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"> <div class="im">On 05/29/2011 12:22 AM, David REVOY \
wrote:<br> > Hi Silvio,<br>
><br>
> I disagree here with you. This actual behavior speedup a lot my workflow<br>
> here and usage with Krita.<br>
> <a href="http://david.revoy.free.fr/forums/krita/2011-05-28_krita-preset_deevad.zip" \
target="_blank">http://david.revoy.free.fr/forums/krita/2011-05-28_krita-preset_deevad.zip</a><br>
> I did this brushkit (link above) with taking advantage of it ; check the<br>
> HSY color airbrush, and dodge explosion brush ; the result is I can<br>
> build my preset and be sure about the result I will got after select<br>
> them to paint.<br>
><br>
> But I also understand your point of view even if I don't use it this<br>
> way. Anticipating multiple usage are the way of a good software ; and I<br>
> don't want to impose a way to do.<br>
> So, I would suggest to add a icon acting as a checkbox in the top tool<br>
> bar to 'lock' the opacity and blending mode. (<br>
> <a href="http://www.new-hampshire-locksmith.com/lock_icon2.gif" \
target="_blank">http://www.new-hampshire-locksmith.com/lock_icon2.gif</a> ) . If user \
'lock'<br> > the preset won't load global opacity and keep the active \
blending mode.<br> > A design like this can make happy all the way to use it , \
imo. Say me<br> > what you think about it.<br>
> Best regards,<br>
><br>
> -David<br>
<br>
</div>Hmm... ok :)<br>
I think you did misunderstand me.<br>
I think you just want to be able to save a blending mode to a preset,<br>
so that you don't have to set it manually every time.<br>
That is fine and I want this too.<br>
<br>
But there are various issues with the way it is done currently.<br>
<br>
1. A preset should be able to overwrite the global blending mode but<br>
only --> explicitly <--<br>
This means having an option in the preset editor where you can choose<br>
the blending mode<br>
you want to use for this preset.<br>
When this option is activated, the global blending mode will be overwritten<br>
by the blending mode from the preset (when the preset is loaded).<br>
If this option isn't activated, the global blending mode should not change.<br>
<br>
2. I see no reason why the global opacity should be saved to the preset<br>
since<br>
we now have a slider in the opacity option in the preset editor.<br>
It does exactly the same. The global opacity option is simply for<br>
changing the<br>
opacity quickly while you are painting, so that you don't have to open<br>
the preset editor<br>
every time. If you want to save the opacity, just change the opacity in<br>
the preset editor<br>
save it and let the global opacity at 100%.<br>
<br>
3. There is no user feedback what actually will be saved. Sven said that<br>
he saves the<br>
Mirroring options too... I mean these are also global options that<br>
normally affect all paintOps.<br>
This breaks the UI logic. For example. It would be the same if you go to the<br>
preferences, go to "Tablet Settings" and change something. Then you \
save<br> a preset and the<br>
"Tablet Settings" will be saved to the preset and every time you load<br>
this preset the "Tablet Settings" will<br>
be changed. It should be obvious that this would be really confusing,<br>
since the tablet settings<br>
are considered to be global.<br>
<br>
4. I don't know exactly what Sven changed but it seems to be a bit<br>
fragile :P.<br>
Some of the presets you gave to me are not usable/broken (they have this<br>
red cross after loading).<br>
And there is this strangle behavior that when loading a preset that uses<br>
the "Wash" painting mode<br>
and then loading a preset for the color smudge brush the painting mode<br>
is not set back to "Built Up".<br>
But the color smudge brush doesn't work in "Wash" mode (this is why \
i<br> didn't include this option).<br>
Ok, I will be fair. This could also be caused by the broken presets.<br>
A while ago I noticed some similar behavior. I think a broken preset can<br>
somehow mess up<br>
the internal state of the whole preset \
system.<br><br></blockquote><div><br>Definitely not fragile :) That is totally \
unrelated. The red x only shows that the brush referenced in that preset isn't \
installed,<br> <br> </div></div>
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