From kde-devel Mon Mar 08 19:05:16 2010 From: Sebastian =?iso-8859-1?q?K=FCgler?= Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2010 19:05:16 +0000 To: kde-devel Subject: Re: [PATCH] powerdevil-remove-cpufreq.patch Message-Id: <201003082005.16733.sebas () kde ! org> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-devel&m=126807517517618 MIME-Version: 1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="--===============2138095793==" --===============2138095793== Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="nextPart1371703.Cq8NMBzru9"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --nextPart1371703.Cq8NMBzru9 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Monday 08 March 2010 17:11:49 Martin Sandsmark wrote: > On Monday 8. March 2010 12.17.13 Holger Macht wrote: > > I don't think they are idiots at all. Did you read the links I posted? > > Would you expect everybody reading such texts before configuring there > > power management needs? Having the CPU frequency options in the > > powerdevil GUI leads to people think "wow, I'm saving power when setting > > the governor to powersave when on battery power". But this is plain > > wrong. They won't read the documentation, they're just clicking and > > think they are happy but actually are draining more power than before. >=20 > I think you misunderstand Nikos' point. >=20 > There are several valid use-cases for manually setting the CPU frequency > governor, and by removing the discoverability of this function, we lessen > the users experience. By not offering options that 98% of the users won't understand correctly, w= e're=20 improving the user experience. (The irony is that pretty much everybody on = this=20 list belongs to these 98% and at the same time claiming that the options is= =20 vital. :/) I'd suggest to re-read those references Holger posted. It's not = like=20 they're written by random people, and it's also not the case that re-iterat= ing=20 the reasoning in there is efficient, or fun. I'd suggest that those, who those who disagree with Holger's patch, and thu= s=20 claim that pretty much everybody who's working on power management at kerne= l=20 and HAL levels gear up and start collecting data, because unless we can *pr= ove*=20 that those options make a difference, we should trust our lower level peers= and=20 not offer these knobs that hurt more than they do good. Really, kernel power management is advanced enough these days that we don't= =20 have to switch CPU frequency manually. And that's a good thing, because it= =20 *just works*. =2D-=20 sebas http://www.kde.org | http://vizZzion.org | GPG Key ID: 9119 0EF9=20 --nextPart1371703.Cq8NMBzru9 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAABAgAGBQJLlUpsAAoJEGdNh9WRGQ75tvkIAI6w8/z4XehXnHS1S5m+A34z v36SKQ0trUvl19ECp8KOPDu4L+e/jnvagkh752Rm/rdj9fuv7+vuBY/HxU0BkWrb EBV9dkhgiN9luOzcyZj9JyfGl7bXQHh2xR+4WSgsBrYBlj/eZoxxx180B/JECr2P sXxtsAqIPhjO6bSBzTWyrIu3PnQzAmCPU8OYqW1gJkjpZ4PyL1VxsPY4QFAhHvFE BaX2hx2XMs1l+gAlcJ2nO0CMbFUGzUWCxR21GcUz63xfB3wakpCt5mTmUkEjevyT BeIjQwkisL0sUXbzpdc6DD5Z5+2u3M5UQ/kCLluKOND83CeMKfkTqgL2cPD6588= =UApz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1371703.Cq8NMBzru9-- --===============2138095793== Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline >> Visit http://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-devel#unsub to unsubscribe << --===============2138095793==--