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List:       kde-community
Subject:    Re: [kde-community] Proposal: KDE Manifesto wording revision
From:       Kevin Ottens <ervin () kde ! org>
Date:       2013-11-12 20:33:05
Message-ID: 3020107.v4VBmSQdjz () wintermute
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Hello,

On Sunday 10 November 2013 21:46:41 Ingo Klöcker wrote:
> On Sunday 10 November 2013 18:28:58 Kevin Ottens wrote:
> > That's what this email is about, I'd like to apply the attached patch,
> > it's mostly about small scale changes. I don't see anything which
> > could be controversial in there.
> > 
> > Any opinions on this? I'd like to collect feedback before proceeding
> > with a vote of the e.V. membership and then a push.
> 
> It's really a minor point, but I don't understand the change of
> 
> * Stand on the shoulders of giants
> 
> to
> 
> * To stand on the shoulders of giants
> 
> 
> Why does this phrase now begin with "To"+verb when all other phrases
> (still) start with a verb without leading "To"?

As Aaron noted, it makes use of an active form instead of passive. To be 
honest it's kind of subtle to me as a non-native speaker I don't mind either 
way. :-)

> IMHO the leading "To" makes the phrase sound less personal. When I read
> the other phrases I mentally add a "You" or a "You can", as in "You can
> make use of KDE infrastructure [...]", "You benefit from [...]", "You
> get support from [...]", etc. The leading "To" prevents this.

I don't see why the leading "To" would prevent that.

Now indeed we might have inconsistencies regarding passive vs active. If you 
don't mind, I propose we ignore that point for now, and once we're done with 
this bunch of edits, we try to get a native speaker attached to a chair until 
(s)he make the pages consistent in that regard.

Regards.
=2D- 
Kévin Ottens, http://ervin.ipsquad.net

KDAB - proud supporter of KDE, http://www.kdab.com

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