From kde-community Fri Aug 23 06:47:55 2013 From: Michael Zanetti Date: Fri, 23 Aug 2013 06:47:55 +0000 To: kde-community Subject: Re: [kde-community] Why were there no talks about Ubuntu Mobile at Akademy? Message-Id: <6466075.OCsPNmOUDE () noneyet> X-MARC-Message: https://marc.info/?l=kde-community&m=137724098101298 On Thursday 22 August 2013 08:21:51 Laszlo Papp wrote: > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 7:55 AM, Michael Zanetti wrote: > > On Wednesday 21 August 2013 13:00:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > > On Wednesday 21 August 2013 10:59:29 Mario Fux KDE ML wrote: > > > > Am Mittwoch 21 August 2013, 09.14:58 schrieb Michael Zanetti: > > > > > > > > Morning Michael > > > > > > > > Thanks for your and Albert's explanations. > > > > > > > > > On Tuesday 20 August 2013 22:11:04 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > > > > > On Friday 16 August 2013 10:49:26 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > > > > > > I think Aaron already made clear that he would be happy to work > > > > on > > > > > > > > > sharing as much as possible with the Plasma efforts he's > > > > involved in > > > > > > > > > and kick folk around him to do the same. I just make the wild > > > > > > > bet > > > > > > > that > > > > > > > the Frameworks folk are perfectly open to the same - standards > > > > > > > benefit > > > > > > > us all, so does sharing libraries. They are turning KDE > > > > > > > Libraries > > > > > > > into > > > > > > > components which are > > > > > > > separately useful, that sounds like a terribly useful think for > > > > > > > Ubuntu > > > > > > > Phone. > > > > > > > > > > > > So I get plenty of replies in no time all over that I'm wrong, but > > > > > > when > > > > > > I > > > > > > offer help and ask how we can actually do something constructive, > > > > > > there's > > > > > > only silence? If the Canonical folks on this list don't feel like > > > > this > > > > > > > > mail was directed at them - you're hereby corrected. If you don't > > > > feel > > > > > > > > like there is anything you can do, please say so, we can then > > > > discuss > > > > > > > > trying to talk to somebody at Canonical directly. > > > > > > > > > > I think for collaboration it takes more than just KDE and Canonical > > > > > having > > > > > some similar stuff to do: > > > > > > > > > > - Not all areas can be shared. I for one work on Unity8, which just > > > > > works > > > > > and looks so different in every way than plasma does. We don't need > > > > > Plasmoid containers, you don't need search scopes. Given that Ubuntu > > > > > Touch > > > > > is QML only, there's not much point in pulling the QWidget related > > > > stuff > > > > > > > from KF5 over to Ubuntu. Other things, like the Solid base for > > > > example > > > > > > > might indeed could be shared/reused. > > > > > > > > > > - Once there is something which might make sense to be shared, it > > > > > requires > > > > > the exact people working on it having interest in collaborating. > > > > Which > > > > > > > means, the responsive KDE person needs to accept that a certain API > > > > > needs > > > > > to change for requirements NOT needed by KDE and the responsive > > > > person > > > > > > > in > > > > > Canonical needs to have interest in pulling in something that most > > > > > likely > > > > > can do way more than Ubuntu needs at this stage, with the additional > > > > > efforts of maintaining more code and doing code reviews for stuff > > > > > not > > > > > even > > > > > needed. It is not possible for me or Albert to go to some API guys > > > > and > > > > > > > tell them: You have to share code with KDE. This needs to happen > > > > > from > > > > > inside the team. The person doing the work must drive it. > > > > > > > > > > Now, coming from the Gnome/Gtk area, Canonical's people mostly are > > > > aware > > > > > > > what code could be shared with Gnome, but not many of them have a > > > > clue > > > > > > > what KDE frameworks actually is. Same the other way round. I'm quite > > > > > sure > > > > > very few here know how the Ubuntu's architecture is built up. > > > > > > > > So here my two questions: > > > > - What could we do that this "Gnome/GTK Canonical people" would be > > > > better > > > > > > informed about KDE Frameworks? > > > > I think subscribing to the ubuntu-phone mailing list and just start > > following > > what people are doing. Seeing what people are working on, ideas where > > stuff > > could be shared should pop up on its own I guess. > > > > Starting to package up the libs that start to become usable might be a > > good > > thing too. > > > > But in the end, building showcases is always the best I'd say. How about > > porting some KDE apps to Ubuntu Touch? Doing a good job there would > > definitely draw attention to it. Especially at this point in time where > > every > > new app still gets like 5 blog posts dedicated to it. > > > > Doesn't even need to do some real thing. Already demos of how to use some > > K > > goodness would help I think. > > One problem here is that we cannot try that on the real device until we > have one. In my experience the last few years in the (kde) mobile field, > people are not that interested in such things when they do not have > gadgets. That applies for me, too. I have tiny applications in > playground/mobile which I could port easily, but I do not have the > motivation without a real device. Right... I agree. Same applies for me too. But keep in mind that you can flash Ubuntu touch on most current Android phones. Here's the list of supported devices: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Touch/Devices Br, Michael _______________________________________________ kde-community mailing list kde-community@kde.org https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-community