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Subject: Re: [kde-community] Proposals for dealing with bad behavior
From: Thomas Zander <zander () kde ! org>
Date: 2013-08-08 10:48:48
Message-ID: 20130808124848.135741n99ohfjlow () thomaszander ! se
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I have no idea how I ended up on the mailinglist, but since I am I'll just \
comment in private. The document looks to strike the tone that IMO makes \
sense. The wording in some paragraphs may need clarification, but nothing \
major. (well, the last part mentioning we have 4 principles may qualify).
I think if this was in place during my koffice times, I expect it would not \
have gotten to a split like it did. Some not-aceptable behaviour generated \
talks with people (not me ;) that were marked as "horrible" by cwg \
members, as such giving them some 'teeth' would be great. Accountability \
is required, as you know, but accountability without repurcussions is \
useless.
I'm gonna figure out how to unsubscribe from the list now. Have a nice day! \
:)
Quoting Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@gmail.com>:
> On Friday 02 August 2013 14:44:52 Jos Poortvliet wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > At Akademy, Valery, Peter and myself organized a BoF session about \
> > conflict handling. Valery wanted to discuss the situation around \
> > mailing list- and IRC moderation; I had a proposal for those few cases \
> > (just a handful in the history of our community) when things really go \
> > out of hand.
> > I've updated the wiki page with the notes. You can find there two \
> > proposals:
> > One to essentially set up a communication channel for the IRC, Forum \
> > and Mailing List moderators; and urge them to come up with some kind of \
> > process and/or documentation for dealing with unpleasant behavior.
> >
> > The second, the 'stormy day' scenario, is a proposal from myself to \
> > allow the CWG to deny people who are unwilling to adapt their behavior \
> > to our community access to our infrastructure; initially for a two-week \
> > cool-down period but at some point for much longer periods.
> >
> > http://community.kde.org/Akademy/2013/ConflictResolution
> >
> > We would appreciate your feedback. The first step (the communication \
> > channel for moderators) is already in the process of being executed; \
> > the second proposal will need to be discussed and vote don by the e.V. \
> > membership. However, I'd like to invite everybody, members and \
> > non-members alike, to comment upon it.
> >
> > Oh and from the others who were present at the BoF, besides a thank \
> > you, a
> > request: please check if it is complete and accurate! I might have \
> > missed things.
> >
> > Greetings and hugs,
> > Jos Poortvliet
>
> I have seen very few comments on this. Does that mean everybody agrees, \
> it is perfect and I can put this up for a vote, which will get 100% \
> approval? It is a bit surprising that we got it right after just one \
> round of discussion at Akademy, I think we should create proposals there \
> more often ;-)
> Greetings,
> J
--
Thomas Zander
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I have no idea how I ended up on the mailinglist, but since I am I'll just \
comment in private.<br />The document looks to strike the tone that IMO \
makes sense. The wording in some paragraphs may need clarification, but \
nothing major. (well, the last part mentioning we have 4 principles may \
qualify).<br /><br />I think if this was in place during my koffice times, \
I expect it would not have gotten to a split like it did. Some \
not-aceptable behaviour generated talks with people (not me ;) that \
were marked as "horrible" by cwg members, as such giving them \
some 'teeth' would be great. Accountability is required, as you know, \
but accountability without repurcussions is useless.<br /><br />I'm gonna \
figure out how to unsubscribe from the list now. Have a nice day! :)<br \
/><br />Quoting Jos Poortvliet <jospoortvliet@gmail.com>:<br /> > \
On Friday 02 August 2013 14:44:52 Jos Poortvliet wrote:<br /> >> Dear \
all,<br /> >><br />
>> At Akademy, Valery, Peter and myself organized a BoF session about \
conflict<br /> >> handling. Valery wanted to discuss the situation \
around mailing list- and<br /> >> IRC moderation; I had a proposal \
for those few cases (just a handful in the<br /> >> history of our \
community) when things really go out of hand.<br /> >><br />
>> I've updated the wiki page with the notes. You can find there two \
proposals:<br /> >><br />
>> One to essentially set up a communication channel for the IRC, \
Forum and<br /> >> Mailing List moderators; and urge them to come up \
with some kind of process<br /> >> and/or documentation for dealing \
with unpleasant behavior.<br /> >><br />
>> The second, the 'stormy day' scenario, is a proposal from myself \
to allow<br /> >> the CWG to deny people who are unwilling to adapt \
their behavior to our<br /> >> community access to our \
infrastructure; initially for a two-week cool-down<br /> >> period \
but at some point for much longer periods.<br /> >><br />
>> <a href="http://community.kde.org/Akademy/2013/ConflictResolution" \
target="_blank">http://community.kde.org/Akademy/2013/ConflictResolution</a><br \
/> >><br />
>> We would appreciate your feedback. The first step (the \
communication channel<br /> >> for moderators) is already in the \
process of being executed; the second<br /> >> proposal will need to \
be discussed and vote don by the e.V. membership.<br /> >> However, \
I'd like to invite everybody, members and non-members alike, to<br /> \
>> comment upon it.<br /> >><br />
>> Oh and from the others who were present at the BoF, besides a \
thank you, a<br /> >> request: please check if it is complete and \
accurate! I might have missed<br /> >> things.<br />
>><br />
>> Greetings and hugs,<br />
>> Jos Poortvliet<br />
><br />
> I have seen very few comments on this. Does that mean everybody \
agrees, it is<br /> > perfect and I can put this up for a vote, which \
will get 100% approval? It is<br /> > a bit surprising that we got it \
right after just one round of discussion at<br /> > Akademy, I think we \
should create proposals there more often ;-)<br /> ><br />
> Greetings,<br />
> J<br />
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Thomas Zander<!--end_signature--></p>
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