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Subject:    [www.kde.org] [Bug 317553] www.kde.org webpages should not set font-size of unstyled body text and s
From:       Ingo Malchow <imalchow () kde ! org>
Date:       2013-03-30 8:44:20
Message-ID: bug-317553-17878-qkS8VVHN2j () http ! bugs ! kde ! org/
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https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=317553

--- Comment #5 from Ingo Malchow <imalchow@kde.org> ---
(In reply to comment #4)
> (In reply to comment #2)
> > users favourites are something between 6px and 20px... 
> 
> No one's favorite font is 6px, or 7px, or even 8px. The most commonly used
> fonts require at least 8px to fully form a glyph. Most font families require
> a minimum size of 9px to fully form all available glyphs. On several of my
> installations the _minimum_ allowed font size in web pages is 20px.

Wow, then you must have a seriously different user group. Instead, i got a lot
of complaints in the early phase about too big fonts. And they were not even
close to 20px, rather around 14px (but em based).

> 
> (In reply to comment #2)
> > But it tends to break when you try to do complex layouts in a lot of
> > different CMS. And that is the situation with KDE, we have a lot of them,
> > and a lot of functionality that needs to be put somewhere, e.g. sidebars,
> > horizontal bars, buttons, boxes etc. Now imagine how hard it will get when
> > you just try to strike out any font declaration. Bad idea
> 
> The worse idea is rude design. 
> 
> This excuse is typical of a lazy person with no interest inaccessibility.

False assumption. And not the most ideal way to get something fixed.

> 
> > pleasing. This of course removes the choice from the user, but for good
> > hopefully.
> 
> You're hoping for the impossible. No good can be expected from web page text
> a fraction of the user's preference, or half the size or less of the DE's UI
> text. It's the user that matters most. Without users there's no reason for a
> pages existence. Without legible text, there's little reason for the
> visitor's first action on seeing it to be other than clicking the back
> button or the tab's close button.
>  
> > So, all in all, valid points you raise, the maintenance horror overweighs
> > though. This is no screenreader blogpage, this is a set of around a dozen
> > different CMS that need to be themed and work properly. 
> 
> They don't work properly now. They produce a rude product hard on users. An
> appropriate set of CMS themes and a firm policy of respecting users will not
> cause maintenance horror.

Hmmmyeah... I better leave that uncommented...
Feel free to report other usability issues as they arise. However, there is a
lot of progress on an updated version, and the font might change with it as
well. But i won't let it up to the user that much, else you end up with
sidebars that 
lo
ook

a
bit
like
this
.
20px... that is not workable here. As you can see, this specific bug is already
marked as wontfix.

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