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List:       kde-bugs-dist
Subject:    [Bug 71220] file|properties|permissions tab advanced should be
From:       Nathaniel Taylor <hvdc () onetel ! net ! uk>
Date:       2003-12-31 21:35:24
Message-ID: 20031231213524.9086.qmail () ktown ! kde ! org
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------- Additional Comments From hvdc@onetel.net.uk  2003-12-31 22:35 -------
I agree absolutely that:

	the original method, as used in Nautilus too, of showing the full 4 octal digits in \
a convenient grid form is by far the most simple, useable and elegant format;  please \
do revert!

	"Advanced" is used in various desktop environments, occaisionally being true \
(advanced stuff) and useful (hides large amounts of in-the-way options), but often \
being a nuisance and a misnomer

Let us consider the two broad categories of user: moderately familiar unix user and \
fresher from other desktop environment.    To the unix user, the current \
(kde3.2-beta2) system is annoying and time-wasting. Such a user has a clear idea of \
what permissions are wanted and can click them into a grid quickly.  Anything \
involving special bits, or files/directories with execture but not read permission, \
etc. has to be done in "Advanced"  To the novice, the new method may be a little \
easier initially, but there are two reasons why this doesn't matter!   i) A "Help" \
tab and use of full words (owner, group, read, etc) would allow this user to use the \
grid and eventually to have the same speed as the experienced users, with full \
control of all permissions ii) KDE users who cannot cope with simple things like \
logical permissions are very unlikely to use other than a packaged kde supplied with \
some OS distro.  Distributors aiming at such users can make "simplifying" changes \
themselves if needed, and there should not be a need for default KDE to be dumbed \
down to the point of slowing and annoying the many experienced users who are likely \
to compile it or download rpms.


As brief points in favour of the grid interface over drop-down menus, 
a) crossed boxes form a pattern whose meaning will soon be recognisable to a user at \
a glance, rather than the wordy menus that need more attention b) all options are \
immediately there; special bits, x-only, user can't write, others can (!), etc. c) \
corresponds to the underlying OS in a direct, easily understood form


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