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List:       xmlbeans-dev
Subject:    Re: xmlbeanscxx proposal (resubmitted)
From:       "Cliff Schmidt" <cliffschmidt () gmail ! com>
Date:       2006-08-28 19:38:21
Message-ID: c5e632550608281238o199b1086yf5b6b8d607282e () mail ! gmail ! com
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Sorry that I've not given this any attention lately.  Unless there are
any other thoughts/discussion, I'm ready to call this to a vote.  It
would still be nice to have another asf member to agree to join me as
an official mentor, but I'm willing to do this with the help of Ken
and David.

Cliff

On 7/18/06, Allen Brookes <abrookes@roguewave.com> wrote:
> I've included the proposal below.  It hasn't changed but I have
> confirmed with people at Touk that the initial committers are correct.
>
> Allen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Cliff Schmidt [mailto:cliffschmidt@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 05, 2006 2:53 PM
> To: Allen Brookes
> Cc: dev@xmlbeans.apache.org; xmlbeans-dev@xml.apache.org; Martin Sebor
> Subject: Re: xmlbeanscxx proposal (resubmitted)
>
> Allen,
>
> Since we've gotten confirmation from David that he's still interested,
> can you just copy the latest version of the proposal into a plain text
> email and send to this list when you're ready.  Also, let us know what
> sort of changes you've made (if any) since your March 29th proposal.
> Even if there are no changes, it would be good to get a fresh copy in
> everyone's inbox just before voting.
>
> Thanks,
> Cliff
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> This is a proposal for an xmlbeans subproject which should be discussed
> here
> and voted on at the xmlbeans PMC.  This is a modification of an earlier
> proposal (May 15, 2005).  This proposal is being resubmitted on the
> advice
> of Cliff Schmidt.  The nature of the proposal changed when the company
> Touk
> offered to submit their xmlbeansxx code base as the initial code.  In
> order
> to move the project along as quickly as possible, we have elected to
> take
> full advantage of the Touk existing code and resources.  One result of
> these
> changes is the need for developers at Touk to act as committers.
> Because
> adding committers is done on the basis of merit, and because there is no
> basis yet for judging merit on this project, Cliff has advised us to
> start
> over with a new proposal.
>
>
> Proposal to create a C++ version of the Apache XMLBeans project
>
> Submission date: ?? March 2006, Allen Brookes, (abrookes @ RogueWave
> dot-com)
>
> (0) rationale
>
> Apache currently maintains the XMLBeans/Java project, a tool that uses
> XML Schema as a basis for generating Java classes used to easily access
> XML instance data. The goal of the XMLBeans/C++ project is to provide a
> very similar user experience for C++ developers as that provided by the
> XMLBeans/Java version. This includes generating strongly-typed C++
> classes for the XML binding as well as providing low-level C++ APIs
> enabling access to the raw, underlying XML content. Where possible, the
> XMLBeans/C++ project will provide a nearly identical API and parallel
> architecture to that provided by the Java counterpart, and will closely
> mimic both features and schedule.
>
> The project will be jump started with the contribution of xmlbeansxx, a
> partial C++ implementation of XMLBeans from Touk
> (http://touk.pl/web/en/index.html).  Rogue Wave Software will help jump
> start this project by contributing considerable expertise in the area of
> XML data bindings in C++ and C++ expertise in general.
>
>
> (0.1) criteria
>
> Meritocracy: The C++ version of the project should adhere to the same
> open, merit-based community standards as other Apache projects.
>
> Contributions and Core Developers: Code being contributed is an open
> source partial implementation of XMLBeans in C++ created by Touk.
>
> The community should be able to immediately jump in and begin work,
> along side dedicated Touk and Rogue Wave personnel, to turn the initial
> contribution into a feature-compatible version of XMLBeans for C++.
>
> Community: The community around the Java version of XMLBeans is already
> vibrant and growing. There is every reason to believe many of those
> within the existing community have experience and/or general interest in
> a successful, compatible C++ implementation of the toolset. This should
> ensure an immediately active and vocal community, even if the primary
> interest is in ensuring a similar experience between versions. The
> original contribution for this project has been around for some time and
> has generated some interest already.
>
> Additionally, at least one member of an existing Apache project has
> expressed interest in a project like XMLBeans/C++ to aid in his current
> work. Higher-level projects such as Axis for C++ seem to be natural
> beneficiaries of this work.
>
>
> (0.2) known risks
>
> Orphaned Products: The xmlbeansxx project has been around for some time
> now and development has been active throughout this time.  There is
> every reason to expect that this commitment will continue after the
> transition to Apache.
>
> Inexperience with Open Source: Rogue Wave has been gaining experience
> with open source through the cxx standard library project.  Touk has had
> experience with open source through the xmlbeanscxx project.
>
> Initial Reliance on Salaried Workers: Due to the rapid process of
> transitioning to work on the open source XMLBeans/C++ project, the
> listed contributors are all inside the commercial realm. We expect this
> list of external volunteers to grow significantly after the initial
> public code drop.
>
> Licensing, Patents, Miscellaneous Legal: Files in the contributed code
> include open source licenses.  Legal review will be needed to determine
> if this is sufficient.
>
>
> (1) scope of the subproject
>
> The XMLBeans/C++ subproject will conform to the identical scope as that
> laid out for the partner Java project. Special care will be taken to
> implement features and add conveniences that would be expected by a C++
> developer.
>
>
> (2) identify the initial source for subproject code
>
> The initial source for the subproject will be the xmlbeanxx project from
> Touk.  Some background information may be found on this product at:
>
> Xmlbeansxx home page (http://xmlbeansxx.touk.pl)
>
>
> (3) identify the ASF resources to be created
>
>
> (3.1) mailing list(s)
>
> cxx-dev
>
> cxx-user
>
> cxx-commits
>
>
>
> (3.2) SVN repositories
>
> xml-xmlbeanscxx
>
>
> (3.3) Bugzilla
>
> xml xmlbeanscxx
>
>
> (4.0) identify the initial set of committers
>
> This is a preliminary list that will be updated with volunteer members.
>
> Allen Brookes (ABrookes @ RogueWave dot-com)
>
> David Haney (David.Haney @ RogueWave dot-com)
>
> Tomasz Wielga (tw @ touk dot-pl)
>
> Rafal Rusin (rr @ touk dot-pl
>
>
> (5) identify apache sponsoring individual
>
> Cliff Schmidt, of the XMLBeans/Java project, has volunteered to sponsor
> this project.
>
> Cliff Schmidt (CliffS @ Apache dot-org)
>
>
> (6) open issues for discussion
>
> The original code contribution has an API that is very similar to that
> of the Java version.  However, there are parts of the API that have not
> yet been implemented that may be considered essential by users of the
> Java version wishing to migrate or co-develop applications.
>
> Addressing this deficiency is considered a high priority task for the
> C++ project.
>
> This task is currently underway at Touk and will be continued after the
> code has been contributed.
>
> The contributed C++ code is based on its own code generator. It is
> probably desirable to consolidate both C++ and Java projects under the
> same code generator, most likely the one already included in the Java
> version of the XMLBeans.
>
> This is not considered a priority-1 task at this point, more of a long
> term goal and convenience. If it saves time in other priority tasks it
> will be looked at closely, however.
>
> Platform support
>
> Unlike Java, the C++ port will have significant issues around platform
> and compiler support. In order to help with this the project will be
> using the C++ standard library, and may in fact benefit greatly from the
> proposed Apache C++ StdLib (STDCXX). Initially the native StdLib will be
> used.
>
> Good platform support will be very important so even the early builds
> should be done on Windows and Linux, and preferably at least one Unix
> variety. Long term the matrix should be very large.
>
>

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