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Subject:    RE: [xml-dev] U.S. Federal Goverment's Data Reference Model (DRM) XML Schema
From:       "Bullard, Claude L (Len)" <len.bullard () intergraph ! com>
Date:       2005-06-24 16:41:34
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Thanks for the information, Irene.
 
So if you are seeing the betas now, procurement catches up in say three
years, 
implementations appear at the earliest, two years after that. 
At five years ahead, the costs for this won't be seen until the first 
half of the first term of the next administration.  And that is definitely 
synonymous with Federal.
 
That doesn't answer the questions of what we do with the rdf:id that we
wouldn't do 
with another semantic for an id.   Let's talk for a minute about the impact 
of costing systems using these specs.  Remember, it's useful to have 
an RFP say "Comply with" without some means of showing how to comply 
with it.  
 
GJXML is a good example.  Today the RFP says "comply with" 
and then leaves it to the local procuring agency to figure out how to
determine 
compliance.   The GJX... IEP is better because it requires the actual subset
work 
to be performed, a URI-identified instance of the schema to be produced 
as a Reference Schema, and possibly, the agency or State level instance 
of that.  Now we have a definition (eg, incident-AL.xsd) that can be cited 
and validated.   Note carefully:  every one of these processes is bid 
at consultant rates every time the customer asks for it.  Until the agency-
selected IEP emerges, the system procured remains in implementation 
phase and does not cutover to live operations.
 
How long will an agency wait before the system goes live?  Answer: 
about six to 12 months, but usually less than a year.   Local budgets 
and political priorities won't take the pressure of long rollouts.
 
The world is festering with meta-specs.  They are decidedly expensive 
items to chuck into an RFP.
 
len


From: Irene Polikoff [mailto:irene@topquadrant.com]

[len] Show the support for RDF in the major commercial software frameworks.

 
Next version of Oracle 10g to be released this summer has RDF/S built in. I
can attest that they've done a good job at supporting the standard (we've
been beta testing the product). Some OWL support is currently being worked
on.
 
Software AG (vendor of XML database Tamino) supports RDF and OWL. They've
recently integrated Ontoprise's Ontobroker engine into Tamino.
 
Adobe has had RDF support for quite some time now.
 
I've heard rumors that IBM will announce something by the end of the year -
but these are just rumors.
 
Regards,
 
Irene

 


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<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks for the 
information, Irene.</FONT></SPAN></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=705172816-24062005></SPAN></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=705172816-24062005></SPAN>So if you are seeing the betas now, procurement 
catches up in say three years, </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>implementations appear at the earliest, two years after 
that.&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN 
class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>At five years 
ahead, the costs for this won't be seen until the first </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>half 
of the first term of the next administration.&nbsp; And that is definitely 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>synonymous with Federal.</FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>That 
doesn't </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2>answer the questions of what we do with the rdf:id that we 
wouldn't do </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>with 
another semantic for an id.&nbsp;&nbsp; Let's talk for a minute about the 
impact&nbsp;</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>of&nbsp;costing systems using these specs.&nbsp; Remember, it's useful to 
have </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>an RFP 
say "Comply with" without some means of showing how to comply 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>with 
it.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>GJXML 
is a good example.&nbsp; Today the RFP says "comply with" </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>and 
then leaves it to the local procuring agency to figure out how to determine 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>compliance.&nbsp;&nbsp; The GJX...&nbsp;IEP is better because it requires 
the actual subset work </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>to be 
performed, a URI-identified instance of the schema to be produced 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>as a 
Reference Schema, and possibly, the agency or State level instance 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>of 
that.&nbsp; Now we have a definition (eg, incident-AL.xsd) that can be cited 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>and 
validated.&nbsp;&nbsp; Note carefully:&nbsp; every one of these processes is bid 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>at 
consultant rates every time the customer asks for it.&nbsp; Until the 
agency-</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>selected IEP emerges, the system procured remains in implementation 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>phase 
and does not cutover to live operations.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>How 
long will an agency wait before the system goes live?&nbsp; Answer: 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>about 
six to 12 months, but usually less than a year.&nbsp;&nbsp; Local budgets 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>and 
political priorities won't take the pressure of long 
rollouts.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>The 
world is festering with meta-specs.&nbsp; They are decidedly expensive 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>items 
to chuck into an RFP.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=705172816-24062005><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
size=2>len</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><BR><B>From:</B> Irene Polikoff 
  [mailto:irene@topquadrant.com]<BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>[len] Show the 
  support for RDF in the major commercial software 
  frameworks.&nbsp;&nbsp;</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff 
  size=2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Next version of Oracle 10g to be released this summer has 
  RDF/S built in.&nbsp;I can attest that they've&nbsp;done a good job at 
  supporting the standard (we've been beta testing the product). Some OWL 
  support is currently being worked on.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Software AG (vendor of XML&nbsp;database Tamino) supports 
  RDF and OWL. They've recently integrated Ontoprise's Ontobroker engine into 
  Tamino.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Adobe has had RDF support for quite some time 
  now.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>I've heard rumors that IBM will announce something by the 
  end of the year - but these are just rumors.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=894263115-24062005><FONT face=Arial 
  color=#0000ff size=2>Irene</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
  face=Tahoma color=#000000 
size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>


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