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List:       xml-cocoon-dev
Subject:    RE: Latest on Cocoon?
From:       "Robby Pelssers" <robby.pelssers () ciber ! com>
Date:       2010-12-17 16:09:36
Message-ID: 7C655C04B6F59643A1EF66056C0E095EA99C72 () eusex01 ! sweden ! ecsoft
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Ok... my mail might have sounded a bit sarcastic...  but i think that's the price you \
have to pay for innovation.  Either you go with the flow and pay the price (or you \
customers do) or you keep on using slowly deprecating technology. My customer is \
facing the same issue. They are still using a really old highly customized version of \
Websphere Product Centre (JDK1.4 ugh ugh).   Upgrading will cost them 1.5 million \
euro ;-(

While choosing for open source will prevent vendor lock-in, not upgrading from time \
                to time will lead to ... how will i call it:
- version lock in
- application lock in
- ...

I think it's important to inform customers about the consequences of making too many \
customizations. And it's equaly important to investigate if an appropiate upgrade \
path can be followed.  I personally convince customers that upgrading with new major \
releases should be taken into account.

Robby




-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Laurent Medioni [mailto:lmedioni@odyssey-group.com]
Verzonden: vr 17-12-2010 16:14
Aan: dev@cocoon.apache.org
Onderwerp: RE: Latest on Cocoon?
 
Several dozens of customers in production, using a 10 years span of our products \
versions, having customised on-site some of the hundreds of XSPs we deliver ? + our \
in-house Eclipse page designer generating XSP code, + all our framework and business \
taglibs on top of XSP ? ;)
I wish I could fly too ;)

Laurent

-----Original Message-----
From: Robby Pelssers [mailto:robby.pelssers@ciber.com] 
Sent: vendredi, 17. décembre 2010 14:14
To: dev@cocoon.apache.org
Subject: RE: Latest on Cocoon?

I really can't understand why you would still like to use XSP while there are far \
better alternatives out there?  I was in the exact same position 6 years ago where we \
had this large Cocoon application using solely xsp's. We took the decision to rewrite \
all functionality to flowscript / jxtemplate and we never regretted this decision.  \
And 2 years back I decided to switch to Cocoon 2.2 and yet again no regrets.  Sure, \
you have to do quite a bit of additional work but postponing an upgrade will fire \
back at you in the long run.  Not saying you have to be an early adapter but once \
those early birds have used it for 1 year in production environments and most bugs \
are removed... you should definitely consider it.

I'm about to start writing my first Cocoon 3 app while it's still in alpha-2 ...  See \
how that turns out ;-)

Kind regards,
Robby Pelssers

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