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Subject: [Xen-users] unable to mount root fs in domU
From: "Lockenvitz, Jan \(EXT\)" <Jan.Lockenvitz.extern () icn ! siemens ! de>
Date: 2005-08-30 8:31:00
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Hi list,
I'm trying to get xen-unstable working on a dual opteron.
My dom0 is a debian-amd64 testing release, and it is working fine!
But I'm unable to boot my domU. I also istalled a debian-amd64 on this
one. Every time the kernel tries to mount the root partition it panics:
Linux version 2.6.12-xenU (xenod@firebug.cl.cam.ac.uk) (gcc version
3.4.4 20050721 (Red Hat 3.4.4-2)) #1 SMP Mon Aug 29 03:18:30 BST 2005
kernel direct mapping tables upto ffff880004000000 @ 800000-822000
PCI: Warning: Cannot find a gap in the 32bit address range
PCI: Unassigned devices with 32bit resource registers may break!
Allocating PCI resources starting at 4100000 (gap: 4100000:400000)
Built 1 zonelists
Kernel command line: root=/dev/sda1 ro 2
Initializing CPU#0
PID hash table entries: 512 (order: 9, 16384 bytes)
Xen reported: 2392.536 MHz processor.
Dentry cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Memory: 54776k/65536k available (1655k kernel code, 1384k reserved, 561k
data, 136k init)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 256
CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)
CPU: L2 Cache: 1024K (64 bytes/line)
Brought up 1 CPUs
NET: Registered protocol family 16
store_evtchn = 2
XENBUS xs_read_watch: 0
xen_mem: Initialising balloon driver.
XENBUS xs_read_watch: 0
Grant table initialized
IA32 emulation $Id: sys_ia32.c,v 1.32 2002/03/24 13:02:28 ak Exp $
audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled)
audit(1125407967.652:0): initialized
VFS: Disk quotas dquot_6.5.1
Dquot-cache hash table entries: 512 (order 0, 4096 bytes)
Initializing Cryptographic API
io scheduler noop registered
io scheduler anticipatory registered
io scheduler deadline registered
io scheduler cfq registered
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 16384K size 1024 blocksize
Xen virtual console successfully installed as tty1
Event-channel device installed.
xen_blk: Initialising virtual block device driver
XENBUS xs_read_watch: 0
xen_blk: Timeout connecting to device!
Netdev frontend (TX) is using grant tables.
Netdev frontend (RX) is using grant tables.
xen_net: Initialising virtual ethernet driver.
vif: probe of vif-0 failed with error -2
XENBUS xs_read_watch: 0
xen_net: Timeout connecting to device!
md: md driver 0.90.1 MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27
NET: Registered protocol family 2
IP: routing cache hash table of 256 buckets, 4Kbytes
TCP established hash table entries: 4096 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
TCP bind hash table entries: 4096 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
TCP: Hash tables configured (established 4096 bind 4096)
Initializing IPsec netlink socket
NET: Registered protocol family 1
NET: Registered protocol family 17
md: Autodetecting RAID arrays.
md: autorun ...
md: ... autorun DONE.
VFS: Cannot open root device "sda1" or unknown-block(0,0)
Please append a correct "root=" boot option
Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on
unknown-block(0,0)
my config for this domain is:
kernel = "/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-xenU"
memory = 64
name = "becki"
disk = [ 'file:/data/dom_becki/os2.img,sda1,w',
'file:/data/dom_becki/swap.img,sda2,w' ]
root = "/dev/sda1 ro"
extra = "2"
output in /var/log/xend.log:
[2005-08-30 16:15:12 xend] DEBUG (image:153) initDomain: cpu=-1
mem_kb=65536 ssidref=-1 dom=14
[2005-08-30 16:15:12 xend] DEBUG (XendDomainInfo:743) init_domain>
Created domain=14 name=becki memory=64
[2005-08-30 16:15:12 xend] INFO (XendRoot:141) EVENT> xend.domain.create
['becki', 14]
[2005-08-30 16:15:12 xend] INFO (image:208) buildDomain os=linux dom=14
vcpus=1
[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] INFO (xsobj:326) DBMap>introduceDomain> 14
261749 <EventChannel dom1:0:19 dom2:14:2>
/domain/f74ce3de-2e9c-4323-844a-3a6a4cf09cf3
[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] DEBUG (XendDomainInfo:608) writing key
availability=online to path /cpu/0 in store
[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] WARNING (XendDomainInfo:995) Unknown config
field boot
[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] WARNING (XendDomainInfo:995) Unknown config
field display
[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] ERROR (process:37) [block-file] ioctl:
LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy
[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] INFO (XendRoot:141) EVENT>
xend.domain.unpause ['becki', 14]
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] DEBUG (XendDomain:464)
domain_restart_schedule> 14 halt 1
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO (XendDomain:477) Cancelling restart for
domain: name=becki id=14
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO (XendRoot:141) EVENT>
xend.domain.restart ['becki', 14, 'cancel']
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO (XendDomain:506) Destroying domain:
name=becki
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO (XendRoot:141) EVENT>
xend.domain.destroy ['becki', 14]
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] DEBUG (netif:502) Destroying netif domain=14
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] DEBUG (netif:395) Destroying vif domain=14
vif=0
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] ERROR (process:37) [block-file] ioctl:
LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO (xsobj:337) DBMap>releaseDomain> 14
[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO (XendRoot:141) EVENT> xend.virq 3
I also tried to compile my own xenU kernel (i hav gcc 4.0). The FS of my
xenU image ist ext3. Even with an initrd.img it was not mountable.
Some time ago i installed an xen 2 Server without problems, but i have
no ideas left where the problem might be.
Does anyone of you have a solution or even a hint?
Thanx in advance,
Jan
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<P><SPAN LANG="de"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Hi list,</FONT></SPAN>
</P>
<P><SPAN LANG="de"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I'm trying to get xen-unstable working \
on a dual opteron. </FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="de"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">My dom0 is a debian-amd64 testing \
release, and it is working fine!</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">But I'm unable to boot my domU. I \
also istalled a debian-amd64 on this one. Every time the kernel tries to mount the \
root partition it panics:</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Linux version 2.6.12-xenU \
(xenod@firebug.cl.cam.ac.uk) (gcc version 3.4.4 20050721 (Red Hat 3.4.4-2)) #1 SMP \
Mon Aug 29 03:18:30 BST 2005</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">kernel direct mapping tables upto \
ffff880004000000 @ 800000-822000</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">PCI: Warning: Cannot find a gap in \
the 32bit address range</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">PCI: Unassigned devices with 32bit \
resource registers may break!</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Allocating PCI resources starting at \
4100000 (gap: 4100000:400000)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Built 1 zonelists</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Kernel command line: \
root=/dev/sda1 ro 2</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Initializing CPU#0</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">PID hash table entries: 512 (order: \
9, 16384 bytes)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Xen reported: 2392.536 MHz \
processor.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Dentry cache hash table entries: \
16384 (order: 5, 131072 bytes)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Inode-cache hash table entries: 8192 \
(order: 4, 65536 bytes)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Memory: 54776k/65536k available \
(1655k kernel code, 1384k reserved, 561k data, 136k init)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Mount-cache hash table entries: \
256</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">CPU: L1 I Cache: 64K (64 \
bytes/line), D cache 64K (64 bytes/line)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">CPU: L2 Cache: 1024K (64 \
bytes/line)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Brought up 1 CPUs</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">NET: Registered protocol family \
16</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">store_evtchn = 2</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">XENBUS xs_read_watch: \
0</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">xen_mem: Initialising balloon \
driver.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">XENBUS xs_read_watch: \
0</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Grant table \
initialized</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">IA32 emulation $Id: sys_ia32.c,v \
1.32 2002/03/24 13:02:28 ak Exp $</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">audit: initializing netlink socket \
(disabled)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">audit(1125407967.652:0): \
initialized</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">VFS: Disk quotas \
dquot_6.5.1</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Dquot-cache hash table entries: 512 \
(order 0, 4096 bytes)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Initializing Cryptographic \
API</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">io scheduler noop \
registered</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">io scheduler anticipatory \
registered</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">io scheduler deadline \
registered</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">io scheduler cfq \
registered</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM \
disks of 16384K size 1024 blocksize</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Xen virtual console successfully \
installed as tty1</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Event-channel device \
installed.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">xen_blk: Initialising virtual block \
device driver</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">XENBUS xs_read_watch: \
0</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">xen_blk: Timeout connecting to \
device!</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Netdev frontend (TX) is using grant \
tables.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Netdev frontend (RX) is using grant \
tables.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">xen_net: Initialising virtual \
ethernet driver.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">vif: probe of vif-0 failed with \
error -2</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">XENBUS xs_read_watch: \
0</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">xen_net: Timeout connecting to \
device!</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">md: md driver 0.90.1 \
MAX_MD_DEVS=256, MD_SB_DISKS=27</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">NET: Registered protocol family \
2</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">IP: routing cache hash table of 256 \
buckets, 4Kbytes</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">TCP established hash table entries: \
4096 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">TCP bind hash table entries: 4096 \
(order: 4, 65536 bytes)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">TCP: Hash tables configured \
(established 4096 bind 4096)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Initializing IPsec netlink \
socket</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">NET: Registered protocol family \
1</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">NET: Registered protocol family \
17</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">md: Autodetecting RAID \
arrays.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">md: autorun ...</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">md: ... autorun DONE.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">VFS: Cannot open root device \
"sda1" or unknown-block(0,0)</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Please append a correct \
"root=" boot option</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: \
Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">my config for this domain \
is:</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">kernel = \
"/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.12-xenU"</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">memory = 64</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">name = \
"becki"</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">disk = [ '</FONT></SPAN><A \
HREF="file:/data/dom_becki/os2.img,sda1,w"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><U><FONT \
COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 \
FACE="Arial">file:/data/dom_becki/os2.img,sda1,w</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN \
LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">', '</FONT></SPAN><A \
HREF="file:/data/dom_becki/swap.img,sda2,w"><SPAN LANG="en-us"><U><FONT \
COLOR="#0000FF" SIZE=2 \
FACE="Arial">file:/data/dom_becki/swap.img,sda2,w</FONT></U></SPAN></A><SPAN \
LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">' ]</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">root = "/dev/sda1 \
ro"</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">extra = "2"</FONT></SPAN>
</P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">output in \
/var/log/xend.log:</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:12 xend] DEBUG \
(image:153) initDomain: cpu=-1 mem_kb=65536 ssidref=-1 dom=14</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:12 xend] DEBUG \
(XendDomainInfo:743) init_domain> Created domain=14 name=becki \
memory=64</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:12 xend] INFO \
(XendRoot:141) EVENT> xend.domain.create ['becki', 14]</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:12 xend] INFO \
(image:208) buildDomain os=linux dom=14 vcpus=1</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] INFO \
(xsobj:326) DBMap>introduceDomain> 14 261749 <EventChannel dom1:0:19 \
dom2:14:2> /domain/f74ce3de-2e9c-4323-844a-3a6a4cf09cf3</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] DEBUG \
(XendDomainInfo:608) writing key availability=online to path /cpu/0 in \
store</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] WARNING \
(XendDomainInfo:995) Unknown config field boot</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] WARNING \
(XendDomainInfo:995) Unknown config field display</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] ERROR \
(process:37) [block-file] ioctl: LOOP_SET_FD: Device or resource busy</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:15:13 xend] INFO \
(XendRoot:141) EVENT> xend.domain.unpause ['becki', 14]</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] DEBUG \
(XendDomain:464) domain_restart_schedule> 14 halt 1</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO \
(XendDomain:477) Cancelling restart for domain: name=becki id=14</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO \
(XendRoot:141) EVENT> xend.domain.restart ['becki', 14, 'cancel']</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO \
(XendDomain:506) Destroying domain: name=becki</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO \
(XendRoot:141) EVENT> xend.domain.destroy ['becki', 14]</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] DEBUG \
(netif:502) Destroying netif domain=14</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] DEBUG \
(netif:395) Destroying vif domain=14 vif=0</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] ERROR \
(process:37) [block-file] ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO \
(xsobj:337) DBMap>releaseDomain> 14</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">[2005-08-30 16:16:24 xend] INFO \
(XendRoot:141) EVENT> xend.virq 3</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">I also tried to compile my own xenU \
kernel (i hav gcc 4.0). The FS of my xenU image ist ext3. Even with an initrd.img it \
was not mountable.</FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Some time ago i installed an xen 2 \
Server without problems, but i have no ideas left where the problem might \
be.</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Does anyone of you have a solution \
or even a hint?</FONT></SPAN> </P>
<P><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Thanx in advance,</FONT></SPAN>
<BR><SPAN LANG="en-us"><FONT SIZE=2 FACE="Arial">Jan</FONT></SPAN>
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