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Subject: Re: [Wireshark-dev] Windows HTML Help
From: chuck c <bubbasnmp () gmail ! com>
Date: 2021-06-02 2:54:58
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Wow - quite the change.
On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 6:15 PM Gerald Combs <gerald@wireshark.org> wrote:
> I just discovered that the HTML Help Workshop download link at
>
>
> https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/desktop/htmlhelp/microsoft-html-help-downloads
>
> no longer works, and the Chocolatey package now downloads from archive.org
> >
>
> https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/html-help-workshop#files
>
> I'll take a look at switching the Windows installers over to plain HTML.
>
> On 5/26/21 2:30 PM, Gerald Combs wrote:
> > I think the only advantage that HTML Help offers at this point is the
> ability to search for keywords. It otherwise adds a build requirement which
> results in shipping a different help format on Windows, and the HTML Help
> Viewer seems to behave worse as time goes on. I'd be OK with switching to
> plain HTML.
> >
> >
> > On 5/26/21 12:28 PM, Graham Bloice wrote:
> > > Personally I prefer help to be local and not require internet access,
> and I despise those local help abominations that spew hundreds of html
> files into the filesystem.
> > >
> > > Not sure what's up with the links, maybe we need to make them pass off
> to the system default browser rather than trying to render them in the HTML
> help browser.
> > >
> > > On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 18:02, chuck c <bubbasnmp@gmail.com <mailto:
> bubbasnmp@gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/200701/msg00396.html
> <https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/200701/msg00396.html>
> > >
> > > "Pressing the help button will:
> > > - on Win32 only: if available, open the Windows Help viewer with
> locally installed user-guide.chm file - and if that fails ... - on all
> systems: start a web browser and open the corresponding wireshark.org <
> http://wireshark.org> online page"
> > >
> > > Clicking links in Windows HTML Help viewer is painful (and a little
> unnerving) with script errors.
> > >
> > > Is it time to sunset and have Windows help act like non-Windows
> platforms?
> > > Or maybe add a step to the CHM build process that makes the links
> non-clickable so the user would need to copy/paste into a browser?
> > >
> > > chuckc
> > >
> > >
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> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Graham Bloice
> > >
> > >
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<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><a \
href="https://gitlab.com/wireshark/wireshark/-/merge_requests/3213">https://gitlab.com/wireshark/wireshark/-/merge_requests/3213</a><br></div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small">Wow - quite the change.</div><div \
class="gmail_default" style="font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" \
style="font-size:small"><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" \
class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Jun 1, 2021 at 6:15 PM Gerald Combs <<a \
href="mailto:gerald@wireshark.org">gerald@wireshark.org</a>> \
wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I just discovered that \
the HTML Help Workshop download link at<br> <br>
<a href="https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/desktop/htmlhelp/microsoft-html-help-downloads" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/previous-versions/windows/desktop/htmlhelp/microsoft-html-help-downloads</a><br>
<br>
no longer works, and the Chocolatey package now downloads from <a \
href="http://archive.org" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">archive.org</a>:<br> <br>
<a href="https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/html-help-workshop#files" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://community.chocolatey.org/packages/html-help-workshop#files</a><br>
<br>
I'll take a look at switching the Windows installers over to plain HTML.<br>
<br>
On 5/26/21 2:30 PM, Gerald Combs wrote:<br>
> I think the only advantage that HTML Help offers at this point is the ability to \
search for keywords. It otherwise adds a build requirement which results in shipping \
a different help format on Windows, and the HTML Help Viewer seems to behave worse as \
time goes on. I'd be OK with switching to plain HTML.<br> > <br>
> <br>
> On 5/26/21 12:28 PM, Graham Bloice wrote:<br>
>> Personally I prefer help to be local and not require internet access, and I \
despise those local help abominations that spew hundreds of html files into the \
filesystem.<br> >><br>
>> Not sure what's up with the links, maybe we need to make them pass off \
to the system default browser rather than trying to render them in the HTML help \
browser.<br> >><br>
>> On Wed, 26 May 2021 at 18:02, chuck c <<a \
href="mailto:bubbasnmp@gmail.com" target="_blank">bubbasnmp@gmail.com</a> \
<mailto:<a href="mailto:bubbasnmp@gmail.com" \
target="_blank">bubbasnmp@gmail.com</a>>> wrote:<br> >><br>
>> <a href="https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/200701/msg00396.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/200701/msg00396.html</a> \
<<a href="https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/200701/msg00396.html" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.wireshark.org/lists/wireshark-dev/200701/msg00396.html</a>><br>
>><br>
>> "Pressing the help button will:<br>
>> - on Win32 only: if available, open the Windows Help viewer with \
locally installed user-guide.chm file - and if that fails ... - on all systems: start \
a web browser and open the corresponding <a href="http://wireshark.org" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">wireshark.org</a> <<a href="http://wireshark.org" \
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://wireshark.org</a>> online page"<br> \
>><br> >> Clicking links in Windows HTML Help viewer is painful \
(and a little unnerving) with script errors.<br> >><br>
>> Is it time to sunset and have Windows help act like non-Windows \
platforms?<br> >> Or maybe add a step to the CHM build process that \
makes the links non-clickable so the user would need to copy/paste into a \
browser?<br> >><br>
>> chuckc<br>
>><br>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________<br>
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>><br>
>> -- <br>
>> Graham Bloice<br>
>><br>
>> ___________________________________________________________________________<br>
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