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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/2] Improved file association desktop integration
From: Zebediah Figura <z.figura12 () gmail ! com>
Date: 2020-06-30 23:54:04
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On 6/29/20 10:18 PM, Damjan Jovanovic wrote:
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> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:41 PM Zebediah Figura <z.figura12@gmail.com
> <mailto:z.figura12@gmail.com>> wrote:
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> On 6/29/20 3:27 PM, Nikolay Sivov wrote:
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> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 11:22 PM Alex Henrie
> <alexhenrie24@gmail.com <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 2:05 PM Nikolay Sivov
> <bunglehead@gmail.com <mailto:bunglehead@gmail.com>
> > <mailto:bunglehead@gmail.com <mailto:bunglehead@gmail.com>>>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:54 PM Alex Henrie
> > <alexhenrie24@gmail.com <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com>
> <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 1:49 PM Nikolay Sivov
> > <bunglehead@gmail.com <mailto:bunglehead@gmail.com>
> <mailto:bunglehead@gmail.com <mailto:bunglehead@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 10:45 PM Alex Henrie
> > <alexhenrie24@gmail.com <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com>
> <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com <mailto:alexhenrie24@gmail.com>>> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 at 3:29 AM Francois Gouget
> > <fgouget@free.fr <mailto:fgouget@free.fr>
> <mailto:fgouget@free.fr <mailto:fgouget@free.fr>>> wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > On Wed, 24 Jun 2020, Alex Henrie wrote:
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > The big change here is rewriting the patches to
> avoid the term
> > >> >> > > "blacklist", which I have replaced with "naughty list".
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > In this context it's not clear what naughty means.
> What in a
> > file
> > >> >> > extension is "badly behaved, disobedient or mildly rude or
> > indecent"?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Several built-in Wine programs are badly behaved in the
> sense that
> > >> >> they associate themselves with file types that native
> desktop
> > programs
> > >> >> are better suited to open.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > Would it be a problem to remove such integration
> completely? I
> > can't think of a good scenario when it would be useful.
> > >>
> > >> The associations have to be in Wine for programs that call
> `start.exe
> > >> <file>` to open a file.
> > >
> > >
> > > This has to be a prefix configuration, not affecting
> > opening/strating things through DE. E.g. 'wine start test.txt'
> > supposedly expected to open notepad,
> > > that doesn't have to be configured for DE associations. Maybe
> > you're talking about something else, I meant this part:
> > >
> > > >> Several built-in Wine programs are badly behaved in the
> sense that
> > > >> they associate themselves with file types that native desktop
> > programs
> > > >> are better suited to open.
> > >
> > > Builtin programs or installed programs only need shell
> extensions
> > stuff in registry to open via 'wine start',
> > > they don't have to touch system configuration.
> > >
> > > Is that a different issue?
> >
> > If I understand you correctly now, you're proposing to get rid of
> > desktop integration for associations altogether. I imagine
> that would
> > be very undesirable for people who use MS Office on Linux through
> > Wine. I'd also like to be able to install Steam games in the
> Windows
> > client by browsing https://store.steampowered.com/ in the native
> > browser and then clicking steamapp:// links that open in Wine.
> >
> >
> > That becomes unusable once you have more than one prefix (I believe
> > desktop integration does not specify WINEPREFIX for launch commands).
>
> In fact it does; see write_freedesktop_association_entry() in
> winemenubuilder.c.
>
> > Do they get updated if you move prefix with Office somewhere, or
> if you
> > remove it?
>
> winemenubuilder automatically updates associations on prefix update, or
> when manually run with the -a argument.
>
> Of course associations never get removed, which is a problem, but it's
> hard to solve. It's not obvious to me that it's worth throwing out the
> whole of winemenubuilder just because of that, though.
>
>
> That's not true. Associations do get removed.
>
> It was intended to behave the way users expect.
>
> How do you remove an association from a native *nix application? You use
> a tool that ultimately deletes the fd.o file eg.
> ~/.local/share/applications/wine-extension-png.desktop. On the next
> winemenubuilder run, it will see the PNG associated was previously
> generated (from the registry) but the fd.o file is absent, and assume
> the user doesn't want it, and avoid regenerating the fd.o file.
>
> If you uninstall the Windows application, the uninstaller deletes the
> association from the registry, and winemenubuilder then deletes it from
> fd.o.
>
> Either way, the fd.o association gets deleted. That's how I remember
> designing and implementing it ~10 years ago. If it doesn't currently
> behave this way, it's a bug.
>
> (Of course, applications that ship with Wine, like iexplore and notepad,
> never get deleted...)
Right, I guess I should be more specific; associations from deleted or
moved prefixes will never be removed.
>
> Damjan
>
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