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Subject:    Re: [WikiEN-l] [Wikipedia-l] [Foundation-l] Indefinite block and
From:       Fred Bauder <fredbaud () ctelco ! net>
Date:       2006-04-19 23:54:59
Message-ID: 45F294A8-F5E3-4FA5-96A2-97C99F9D5613 () ctelco ! net
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I don't think there is any real danger of getting into a mess if you  
simply make it a practice to never reverse the action of another  
administrator. We have not made this a hard fast rule, but It  
completely avoids wheel-warring, an evil which transcends most  
instances of harm which are done by ill-considered actions of  
administrators.

Fred

On Apr 19, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Ilmari Karonen wrote:

> geni wrote:
>
>> On 4/19/06, Elisabeth Bauer <elian@djini.de> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> This was not a misunderstanding, this was lack of good faith. Erik
>>> should have trusted danny that he has good reasons for an action  
>>> which
>>> might not be selfexplaining. If he wanted to know more, he could  
>>> have
>>> asked. And an admin who acts before he understands the situation  
>>> can -
>>> as this incident has shown - potentially endanger the foundation.
>>>
>>
>> Admins almost never work with complete information.
>>
>
> Indeed, Brad himself wrote just that in his response:
>
> "Not everything that involves Wikipedia is public, nor should it be.
> The typical user or admin doesn't have all the pieces of the puzzle."
>
> Note that, while this is abviously true, it doesn't mean I necessarily
> like it much.  I don't know WTF is going on at the office -- my first
> thought was that Danny must be really close to burning out from stress
> to react so out of proportion -- but events like this are making
> Wikipedia feel like a minefield, an oppressive place where one must
> watch one's every word and never take a step before checking twice  
> that
> no-one's toes are in the way.  If I'm to work effectively as an  
> admin, I
> _need_ all the pieces of the puzzle, or at least I need to know where
> the missing pieces are.  We are not mushrooms, to be kept in the dark
> and fed manure.
>
> I strongly supported Kelly Martin's earlier 0RR proposal, since it was
> sensible and clear: don't redo what you did earlier without  
> discussion.
>   But if the new policy is to be that an admin may not do anything  
> that
> might step on someone else's toes, I'm not sure I dare to continue  
> being
> an admin.
>
> -- 
> Ilmari Karonen
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