This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030308040801070200080905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jimmy Wales wrote: > I do not think that the fact that Jane Fonda and Bill Gates are > controversial figures is the real answer here, by the way. They are, > but the problems I'm complaining about in the articles is not that they > are biased, nor that they focus too much on the controversies, etc. > > It's that they are badly written. A confusing mishmash of random facts > not shaped into a coherent whole. Others have written eloquently on > this, and on why this might be the case. The puzzle, though, is: what > can be done about it. > > Project outsiders might suggest only allowing "expert writers" to work > on such articles. I think any of us can explain how that's much easier > said than done. I answer with a quote from someone you know: To attact and retain the participation of experts, there would have to be little patience for those who do not understand or agree with Wikipedia's mission, or even for those pretentious mediocrities who are not able to work with others constructively and recognize when there are holes in their knowledge (collectively, probably the most disruptive group of all). A less tolerant attitude toward disruption would make the project more polite, welcoming, and indeed open to the vast majority of intelligent, well-meaning people on the Internet. In my view, wikipedia has to undergo a paradigm change if it really wants to succeed in creating a good encyclopedia. Some answers in this thread are symptomatic for this: You shouldn't be forced to explain a revert of a bad edit (of course it's good if you still do). Currently wikipedia forces editors to go through silly processes and discussions to defend good edits. How many highlevel editors are willing to do this all the time? The physics professor may explain relativity theory once to a clueless wikipedian who just put his wisdom into the article, but if he has to do it every week, he'll pack his belongings and go to another project to spend his time on. And it's even worse with style improvements if you have to argue with bad writers why an article should be coherent text and not randomly assembled item lists. We shouldn't give up the principle of open editing but we should make clear now from the beginning that we seek good writers and knowledgeable people, not anyone. Yes, anyone _can_ edit an article. But not anyone _should_ edit any article. greetings, elian --------------030308040801070200080905 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline _______________________________________________ WikiEN-l mailing list WikiEN-l@Wikipedia.org To unsubscribe from this mailing list, visit: http://mail.wikipedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikien-l --------------030308040801070200080905--