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Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Proposal: add Privacy to WebKit Project Goals
From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs () apple ! com>
Date: 2020-02-17 6:28:44
Message-ID: 11BE1A71-8FBF-46B6-910B-06B36A1D65D4 () apple ! com
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> On Feb 16, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Brent Fulgham <bfulgham@apple.com> wrote:
>
>
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> > On Feb 16, 2020, at 12:39 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com \
> > <mailto:mjs@apple.com>> wrote:
> >
> > There hasn't been any feedback on this, so below is a proposed change (in \
> > PrettyPatch HTML format) to <https://webkit.org/project/ \
> > <https://webkit.org/project/>>.
> > In addition to adding Privacy as a goal, I also added Battery Life, and tweaked a \
> > few of the existing goals.
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >
> > project-new.html
> >
> > 32<h4><a name="privacy"></a>Privacy</h4>
> > 33<p>Users want their privacy respected. We avoid directly violating the user's \
> > privacy, and strive to prevent websites and other parties from doing so.</p>
>
> The term "directly violating" sounds a little soft. Do we not care about indirect \
> privacy violations?
My intent was to express that the browser engine itself will not spy on you, in \
addition to our measures to prevent websites from doing so. I'm not sure what you \
think would count as indirectly violating the users privacy which would not be \
websites or other parties violating the user's privacy, but I'll try to reword it.
>
> I don't know the right wording to use, but I would like to say something along the \
> lines of:
> "Users want their privacy respected. We avoid violating the user's privacy, and \
> strive to prevent websites and other parties form doing so, too. We view the \
> UserAgent's primary responsibility to be protecting the interests of the user. We \
> therefore do not support or intend to implement web standards that are at odds with \
> these goals, or that create mechanisms to fingerprint or otherwise monitor user \
> behavior."
This seems unnecessarily combative. Also perhaps not entirely true. There's lots of \
fingerprinting surface in the web platform, and we have not removed all of it.
I'll make an attempt to write this more clearly.
- Maciej
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type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 16, 2020, at 8:43 PM, Brent Fulgham <<a \
href="mailto:bfulgham@apple.com" class="">bfulgham@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br \
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class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 16, 2020, \
at 12:39 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <<a href="mailto:mjs@apple.com" \
class="">mjs@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div \
class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; \
-webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div class="">There \
hasn't been any feedback on this, so below is a proposed change (in PrettyPatch HTML \
format) to <<a href="https://webkit.org/project/" \
class="">https://webkit.org/project/</a>>.</div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">In addition to adding Privacy as a goal, I also added \
Battery Life, and tweaked a few of the existing goals.</div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">Thoughts?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div \
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white-space: pre-wrap; word-wrap: break-word;"><p>Users want their privacy \
respected. We avoid directly violating the user's privacy, and strive to prevent \
websites and other parties from doing so.</p></span></div></div><div \
class="clear_float" style="clear: \
both;"></div></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div \
class="">The term "directly violating" sounds a little soft. Do we not care about \
indirect privacy violations?</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br \
class=""></div><div>My intent was to express that the browser engine itself will not \
spy on you, in addition to our measures to prevent websites from doing so. I'm not \
sure what you think would count as indirectly violating the users privacy which would \
not be websites or other parties violating the user's privacy, but I'll try to reword \
it.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div \
style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: \
after-white-space;" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I don't \
know the right wording to use, but I would like to say something along the lines \
of:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">"Users want their privacy \
respected. We avoid violating the user's privacy, and strive to prevent websites and \
other parties form doing so, too. We view the UserAgent's primary responsibility to \
be protecting the interests of the user. We therefore do not support or intend to \
implement web standards that are at odds with these goals, or that create mechanisms \
to fingerprint or otherwise monitor user behavior."</div></div></div></blockquote><br \
class=""></div><div>This seems unnecessarily combative. Also perhaps not entirely \
true. There's lots of fingerprinting surface in the web platform, and we have not \
removed all of it.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>I'll make an attempt to write \
this more clearly.</div><div><br class=""></div><div> - Maciej</div><div><br \
class=""></div></body></html>
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