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List:       webkit-dev
Subject:    Re: [webkit-dev] Step 1 of Plugin removal: Deleting NPAPI (and thus Flash support)
From:       Maciej Stachowiak <mjs () apple ! com>
Date:       2020-02-06 8:38:20
Message-ID: 836D9322-5A50-4474-BDA6-77E8821F8FB4 () apple ! com
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I discussed this some with Apple folks internally. Besides the PDF plugin mentioned \
by Dean, macOS apps using the WebKit API have the ability to embed NPAPI plugins in \
their app bundle and register them for WebView use. We are not sure if this is \
currently in use by any important apps, but we feel obligated to do some \
compatibility testing before we fully rip things out.

> On Feb 6, 2020, at 12:25 AM, Carlos Garcia Campos <carlosgc@webkit.org> wrote:
> 
> El mar, 14-01-2020 a las 05:06 +1100, Dean Jackson escribió:
> > 
> > 
> > > On 13 Jan 2020, at 20:14, Carlos Garcia Campos <carlosgc@webkit.org
> > > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > El lun, 13-01-2020 a las 05:30 +1100, Dean Jackson escribió:
> > > > Dear Non-Apple ports,
> > > > 
> > > > Running Flash has been more difficult over the past few years as
> > > > part
> > > > of a (semi-) coordinated effort by browsers and Adobe. The plan
> > > > is to
> > > > remove support for Flash + NPAPI by the end of this year. See the
> > > > links below. 
> > > > 
> > > > I'd like to remove our NPAPI code soon, but I want to make sure
> > > > the
> > > > other ports are ok with this. Please speak up if you have a
> > > > reason to
> > > > keep it in.
> > > 
> > > WPE has never supported NPAPI plugins and the GTK port removed the
> > > support for GTK2 plugins (flash) already in our current stable
> > > version.
> > > Plugins not using GTK at all (or using GTK3) are still supported by
> > > GTK
> > > port (some of them only under X11, though). I'm ok with removing
> > > the
> > > NPAPI plugins support in the GTk port, but we are at the end of the
> > > release cycle, so I prefer if we remove the feature right after we
> > > branch for the next stable version (scheduled for the 1st
> > > February). I
> > > could even branch earlier if needed.
> > 
> > Waiting until February is totally ok with me. Good luck with your
> > release.
> 
> We have already branched, so we can start removing NPAPI plugins from
> trunk :-)
> 
> > Dean
> > 
> > > > [Note that we will still have some plugin code e.g. our internal
> > > > PDFPlugin, just no support for externally installed plugins]
> > > > 
> > > > Dean
> > > > 
> > > > * Adobe's end of life for Flash - 
> > > > https://theblog.adobe.com/adobe-flash-update/
> > > > * Chrome removing Flash support by end of 2020 - 
> > > > https://sites.google.com/a/chromium.org/dev/flash-roadmap
> > > > * Google removing support for Flash by end of 2020 - 
> > > > https://www.blog.google/products/chrome/saying-goodbye-flash-chrome/
> > > > * Mozilla removing NPAPI by end of 2020 - 
> > > > https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Plugins/Roadmap
> > > > * Mozilla only uses NPAPI for Flash - 
> > > > https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2015/10/08/npapi-plugins-in-firefox/
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > Thanks!
> > > 
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