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Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Hosting precompiled `jsc` binaries for Linux
From: Maciej Stachowiak <mjs () apple ! com>
Date: 2017-12-12 21:06:19
Message-ID: 90439A5E-DDD1-4FBD-ADAE-E0A87FD4B9F3 () apple ! com
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> On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mathias Bynens <mths@google.com> wrote:
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> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:52 PM, JF Bastien <jfb@chromium.org \
> <mailto:jfb@chromium.org>> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:42 AM Mathias Bynens <mths@google.com \
> <mailto:mths@google.com>> wrote: On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:38 PM, JF Bastien \
> <jfb@chromium.org <mailto:jfb@chromium.org>> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:27 AM Mathias Bynens <mths@google.com \
> <mailto:mths@google.com>> wrote: Ideally, projects such as jsvu wouldn't have to \
> make such decisions. They would trust the maintainer of the JS engine, in this case \
> Apple, to provide the downloads.
> If Apple trusts Igalia enough, that's Apple's decision. Projects such as jsvu \
> shouldn't have to duplicate that decision IMHO. The way to do that is to host \
> binaries on an official domain.
> It sounds like our disconnect is on who maintains JSC outside of Apple ecosystems. \
> The GTK port is not maintained by Apple, though we work closely with the \
> maintainers and avoid breakage where we can.
> JSC is Apple's JS engine. Who maintains which port of it is a detail that \
> downstream projects should not concern themselves with, IMHO.
> Isn't that exactly the same as the PPC or S390 versions of V8?
> https://github.com/v8/v8/wiki/Handling-of-Ports \
> <https://github.com/v8/v8/wiki/Handling-of-Ports>
> Or the MIPS version of NaCl?
>
> I agree this is the same. If I was building an installer that included these ports, \
> I'd prefer to get the downloads through Google/V8 too, if possible.
> On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 8:54 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com \
> <mailto:mjs@apple.com>> wrote: We do not have any Linux binaries blessed, approved \
> or endorsed by Apple, and we never will, regardless of what domain it's hosted on. \
> However, you can get official Linux binaries from parties that own Linux ports.
> If the hosting domain doesn't matter, would you object to it being webkit.org \
> <http://webkit.org/>? All I meant to say is that this would be my preference.
I would not object. But it's not up to me. It's up to the owners of WebKitGtk (or \
another port that produces a Linux binary), and the people who would have to do the \
engineering and operations work to set it up.
If it comes down to an arbitrary preference for webkit.org <http://webkit.org/> over \
webkitgtk.org <http://webkitgtk.org/>, then you may have to give a better reason to \
convince the people who would actually have to do the work.
Regards,
Maciej
>
> Just to clarify, I'd be excited to get the downloads at all! I understand who \
> maintains the Linux port, and I appreciate everyone's hard work on this. \
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type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 12, 2017, at 12:18 PM, Mathias Bynens \
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2017 at 8:38 PM, JF Bastien<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span \
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class="">jfb@chromium.org</a>></span><span \
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dir="auto" class="">On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at 11:27 AM Mathias Bynens <<a \
href="mailto:mths@google.com" target="_blank" class="">mths@google.com</a>> \
wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px 0px \
0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: rgb(204, \
204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"><div class=""><div class="">Ideally, projects such as \
jsvu wouldn't have to make such decisions. They would trust the maintainer of the JS \
engine, in this case Apple, to provide the downloads. </div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">If Apple trusts Igalia enough, that's Apple's decision. \
Projects such as jsvu shouldn't have to duplicate that decision IMHO. The way to do \
that is to host binaries on an official domain.</div></div></blockquote><div \
dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div></span><div dir="auto" class="">It sounds like \
our disconnect is on who maintains JSC outside of Apple ecosystems. The GTK port is \
not maintained by Apple, though we work closely with the maintainers and avoid \
breakage where we can. </div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br \
class=""></div></div></div></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div \
class="gmail_quote"><div class="">JSC is Apple's JS engine. Who maintains which port \
of it is a detail that downstream projects should not concern themselves with, \
IMHO.</div></div></div></div></blockquote><div dir="auto" class=""><br \
class=""></div></div></div><div dir="auto" class="">Isn't that exactly the same as \
the PPC or S390 versions of V8?</div><div dir="auto" class=""><a \
href="https://github.com/v8/v8/wiki/Handling-of-Ports" target="_blank" \
class="">https://github.com/v8/v8/wiki/<wbr class="">Handling-of-Ports</a><br \
class=""></div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" \
class="">Or the MIPS version of NaCl?</div></div></div></blockquote><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">I agree this is the same. If I was building an installer \
that included these ports, I'd prefer to get the downloads through Google/V8 too, if \
possible.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">On Tue, Dec 12, 2017 at \
8:54 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a \
href="mailto:mjs@apple.com" target="_blank" \
class="">mjs@apple.com</a>></span> <wbr class="">wrote:<br \
class=""></div><div class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0px 0px \
0px 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-style: solid; border-left-color: \
rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">We do not have any Linux binaries blessed, \
approved or endorsed by Apple, and we never will, regardless of what domain it's \
hosted on. However, you can get official Linux binaries from parties that own Linux \
ports.</blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the \
hosting domain doesn't matter, would you object to it being<span \
class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="http://webkit.org/" \
target="_blank" class="">webkit.org</a>? All I meant to say is that this would be my \
preference.</div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I \
would not object. But it's not up to me. It's up to the owners of WebKitGtk (or \
another port that produces a Linux binary), and the people who would have to do the \
engineering and operations work to set it up.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>If it \
comes down to an arbitrary preference for <a href="http://webkit.org" \
class="">webkit.org</a> over <a href="http://webkitgtk.org" \
class="">webkitgtk.org</a>, then you may have to give a better reason to convince the \
people who would actually have to do the work.</div><div><br \
class=""></div><div>Regards,</div><div>Maciej</div><br class=""><blockquote \
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class=""></div><div class="">Just to clarify, I'd be excited to get the downloads at \
all! I understand who maintains the Linux port, and I appreciate everyone's hard work \
on this. </div></div></div></div><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: \
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