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Subject: Re: [webkit-dev] Proposal: Remove ENABLE(MATHML)
From: "Myles C. Maxfield" <mmaxfield () apple ! com>
Date: 2017-11-02 21:51:48
Message-ID: 150D1ACB-4CB1-40B5-9141-DBD3774ABD42 () apple ! com
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I'd like to clarify my previous email.
Everyone wants to see high quality math rendering on the Web. MathML is a web \
standard, has two implementations (WebKit and Gecko), and is one of the most \
requested features in Chromium \
<https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?can=2&q=component:Blink&sort=-stars&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Status%20Component%20Opened%20Summary> \
and Edge <https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platform/status/?q=sort:Votes>. \
Chromium is even in talks to add support. Clearly, MathML is part of the Web \
Platform.
I was not proposing that we pull MathML support from WebKit. Native support for \
MathML, rather than polyfilled support, leads to better experiences for our users for \
many reasons, among them performance and accessibility. Bugs (or even "quite a few \
bugs") is not sufficient evidence to pull a feature like this.
Instead, I was pointing out that MathML doesn't seem to be getting the love it \
deserves. I hope we can improve our support for MathML to make our implementation the \
best it can possibly be.
Thanks,
Myles
> On Oct 27, 2017, at 2:15 PM, Myles C. Maxfield <mmaxfield@apple.com> wrote:
>
> Is there any development being done on MathML? There are quite a few places where \
> our implementation is fairly broken. This, coupled with the fact that most places \
> which use MathML on the Web fallback to MathJax (which doesn't need MathML) makes \
> me question whether we want to continue supporting MathML in the first place.
> > On Oct 25, 2017, at 11:37 AM, Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro@igalia.com> wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 25, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com> wrote:
> > > Why don't we wait to hear from port owners whether they would actually want to \
> > > disable MathML for reason of compatibiltiy. Knowing answers to the above \
> > > questions would help.
> >
> > For GTK and WPE, I think it's fine to have MathML enabled unconditionally.
> >
> > Michael
> >
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line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I'd like to clarify my previous email.<div \
class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Everyone wants to see high quality math \
rendering on the Web. MathML is a web standard, has two implementations (WebKit and \
Gecko), and is one of the most requested features in <a \
href="https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/list?can=2&q=component:Blink& \
;sort=-stars&colspec=ID%20Stars%20Pri%20Status%20Component%20Opened%20Summary" \
class="">Chromium</a> and <a \
href="https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/platform/status/?q=sort:Votes" \
class="">Edge</a>. Chromium is even in talks to add support. Clearly, MathML is part \
of the Web Platform.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I was not \
proposing that we pull MathML support from WebKit. Native support for MathML, rather \
than polyfilled support, leads to better experiences for our users for many reasons, \
among them performance and accessibility. Bugs (or even "quite a few bugs") is \
not sufficient evidence to pull a feature like this.</div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">Instead, I was pointing out that MathML doesn't seem to \
be getting the love it deserves. I hope we can improve our support for MathML to make \
our implementation the best it can possibly be.</div><div class=""><br \
class=""></div><div class="">Thanks,</div><div class="">Myles<br class=""><div><br \
class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 27, 2017, at 2:15 PM, \
Myles C. Maxfield <<a href="mailto:mmaxfield@apple.com" \
class="">mmaxfield@apple.com</a>> wrote:</div><br \
class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Is there any \
development being done on MathML? There are quite a few places where our \
implementation is fairly broken. This, coupled with the fact that most places which \
use MathML on the Web fallback to MathJax (which doesn't need MathML) makes me \
question whether we want to continue supporting MathML in the first place.<br \
class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Oct 25, 2017, at 11:37 AM, \
Michael Catanzaro <<a href="mailto:mcatanzaro@igalia.com" \
class="">mcatanzaro@igalia.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">On Wed, Oct \
25, 2017 at 12:05 PM, Maciej Stachowiak <<a href="mailto:mjs@apple.com" \
class="">mjs@apple.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" \
class="">Why don't we wait to hear from port owners whether they would actually want \
to disable MathML for reason of compatibiltiy. Knowing answers to the above questions \
would help.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">For GTK and WPE, I think it's fine \
to have MathML enabled unconditionally.<br class=""><br class="">Michael<br \
class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br \
class="">webkit-dev mailing list<br class=""><a \
href="mailto:webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org" class="">webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org</a><br \
class="">https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev<br \
class=""></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br \
class="">webkit-dev mailing list<br class=""><a \
href="mailto:webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org" class="">webkit-dev@lists.webkit.org</a><br \
class="">https://lists.webkit.org/mailman/listinfo/webkit-dev<br \
class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>
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