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Subject:    Re: [Veritas-bu] Catalog Archiving
From:       "Liddle, Stuart" <liddles () amgen ! com>
Date:       2006-08-31 17:23:50
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Patrick,
 
If your catalog image database is growing and you want to decrease the
amount of space it is taking, then you CAN do the Catalog Archiving, but
there are other steps that you might want to take first.
 
First off, if you have retentions that are really long (like over 90 days),
you might want to reduce them.  
 
Of course, this presumes that you can get buy-off from your client base as
to how long they want to be able to go back for doing a restore.  
 
If you have data to support the fact that a high percentage of restores are
only done within, say, 30 days of a backup and it drops off sharply after
that, then you can build a case for shorter retentions.  We used to have
some DBA's that requested infinite retentions of backups.....that's
ridiculous.
 
If you absolutely need to have long retentions, then send a catalog backup
offsite with the backup tapes, give them a 1 year retention and be done with
it.  If you need to restore from those tapes after 1 year, you will have the
catalog tape to use OR you can import the tapes in question.
 
Now, if that still does not shrink your image database size down to a
manageable level, you can use the Catalog Archiving method.  I tested it,
it's messy and I came up with a procedure to do it.  The Veritas
documentation is not very clear on how it is done.  If you are interested I
can send you a copy of the documentation that I put together for doing it.
 
--stuart

  _____  

From: veritas-bu-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] On Behalf Of WEAVER,
Simon
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:38 AM
To: 'Whelan, Patrick'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: Re: [Veritas-bu] Catalog Archiving


Can I see the documentation? I cannot recall what NBU you are on / platform
 
 

Regards

Simon Weaver
3rd Line Technical Support
Windows Domain Administrator 

EADS Astrium Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)
Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 5PU

Email:  <mailto:Simon.Weaver@Astrium-eads.net> Simon.Weaver@Astrium-eads.net

-----Original Message-----
From: Whelan, Patrick [mailto:Patrick.Whelan@colt.net] 
Sent: 31 August 2006 12:19
To: veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu
Subject: [Veritas-bu] Catalog Archiving



All,

Is anyone using Catalog Archiving? If so how is it working for you? I have
read the documentation, but it is not clear what the process is if you need
to do a restore of files that have archived. Can you enlighten me?

Regards,

Patrick Whelan

NetBackup Specialist

Architect & Engineering

+44 20 7863 5243

Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most! - Unknown

There are only 10 kinds of people on earth - those who understand binary

and those who don't.





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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>Patrick,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>If your catalog image database is growing and you want to decrease 
the amount of space it is taking, then you CAN do the Catalog Archiving, but 
there are other steps that you might want to take first.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>First off, if you have retentions that are really long (like over 
90 days), you might want to reduce them.&nbsp; </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>Of course, this presumes that you can get buy-off from your client 
base as to how long they want to be able to go back for doing a restore.&nbsp; 
</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>If you have data to support the fact that a high percentage of 
restores are only done within, say, 30 days of a backup and it drops off sharply 
after that, then you can build a case for shorter retentions.&nbsp; We used to 
have some DBA's that requested infinite retentions of backups.....that's 
ridiculous.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>If you absolutely need to have long retentions, then send a 
catalog backup offsite with the backup tapes, give them a 1 year retention and 
be done with it.&nbsp; If you need to restore from those tapes after 1 year, you 
will have the catalog tape to use OR you can import the tapes in 
question.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>Now, if that still does not shrink your image database size down 
to a manageable level, you can use the Catalog Archiving method.&nbsp; I tested 
it, it's messy and I came up with a procedure to do it.&nbsp; The Veritas 
documentation is not very clear on how it is done.&nbsp; If you are interested I 
can send you a copy of the documentation that I put together for doing 
it.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff></FONT></SPAN>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=924531617-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff>--stuart</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> veritas-bu-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu 
[mailto:veritas-bu-bounces@mailman.eng.auburn.edu] <B>On Behalf Of </B>WEAVER, 
Simon<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, August 31, 2006 4:38 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Whelan, 
Patrick'; veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Veritas-bu] 
Catalog Archiving<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=821593711-31082006><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff><STRONG><EM>Can I see the documentation? I cannot recall what NBU 
you are on / platform</EM></STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><EM><FONT color=#3f6296><FONT size=2><FONT 
face=Arial><FONT 
color=#0000ff>Regards</FONT></FONT></FONT></FONT></EM></SPAN></P>
<P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><EM><FONT color=#3f6296><FONT size=2><FONT 
face=Arial><FONT color=#0000ff>Simon Weaver</FONT><BR></FONT></FONT></FONT><FONT 
face=Arial color=#0000a0 size=2><STRONG>3rd Line Technical Support<BR>Windows 
Domain Administrator</STRONG></FONT></EM><FONT face=Arial> </FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><I><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>EADS Astrium 
Limited, B23AA IM (DCS)</FONT></I></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-gb><BR><FONT face=Arial 
color=#0000ff size=2><EM>Anchorage Road, Portsmouth, PO3 
5PU</EM></FONT></SPAN></P>
<P><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><EM>Email: 
</EM></FONT><A href="mailto:Simon.Weaver@Astrium-eads.net"><FONT face=Arial 
size=2><EM>Simon.Weaver@Astrium-eads.net</EM></FONT></A></SPAN></P>
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  <DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left><FONT 
  face=Tahoma size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Whelan, Patrick 
  [mailto:Patrick.Whelan@colt.net] <BR><B>Sent:</B> 31 August 2006 
  12:19<BR><B>To:</B> veritas-bu@mailman.eng.auburn.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> 
  [Veritas-bu] Catalog Archiving<BR><BR></FONT></DIV><!-- Converted from text/rtf \
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size=2>All,</FONT></SPAN></P>  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial \
size=2>Is anyone using Catalog   Archiving? If so how is it working for you? I have \
read the documentation, but   it is not clear what the process is if you need to do a \
restore of files that   have archived. Can you enlighten me?</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial 
  size=2>Regards,</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-gb></SPAN><SPAN 
  lang=en-gb></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb></SPAN><A name=""><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT 
  face=Arial size=2>Patrick Whelan</FONT></SPAN></A></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial size=2>NetBackup 
  Specialist</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT face=Arial size=2>Architect &amp; 
  Engineering</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb>+44 20 7863 5243</SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT size=1>Of all the things I've lost, I 
  miss my mind the most! - Unknown</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT size=1>There are only 10 kinds of people 
  on earth - those who understand binary</FONT></SPAN></P>
  <P align=left><SPAN lang=en-gb><FONT size=1>and those who 
  don't.</FONT></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-gb></SPAN><SPAN lang=en-gb></SPAN><SPAN 
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