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List:       velocity-dev
Subject:    Re: Jira for Velocity & Velocity Tools
From:       Nathan Bubna <nbubna () gmail ! com>
Date:       2005-03-18 19:20:28
Message-ID: 4d651da5050318112060383b86 () mail ! gmail ! com
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ah, semantic confusion is at work!

all those pages you point to are lists of people who have or had
commit karma on the projects.  all of them have (or should have)
signed the ASF's "contributor" license agreement.  but on project
mailing lists and occasionally elsewhere, such individuals are
referred to as "committers".  and those who contribute code but do not
have commit access, are occasionally referred to as "contributors".

IIRC, there was at times web pages that listed not only those with
commit access, but also those who chipped in bits of code here and
there without ever getting karma.  it is pages containing the latter
that i believe the ASF frowns upon for legal reasons.

sorry for not being clear.

and yes, the velocity "contributors" page is woefully antiquated. 
most of that list has been inactive for 3-4 *years* at this point! 
and the "certification thing" is long gone.

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:01:48 -0800, Tim Colson (tcolson)
<tcolson@cisco.com> wrote:
> > i'm pretty sure apache (or maybe just jakarta) are somewhat opposed to
> > the idea of a  "Contributer page", and i have the vague notion that it
> > has something to do with legal reasons.
> 
> Hmm... maybe they don't want folks to have any clue who's working on the
> project? That seems odd. <grin> ;-)
> 
> Seriously... I pointed it out because there's no direct way for folks to
> find out who works on Velocity Tools, without getting on the list and
> asking or watching for who commits. ;-)
> 
> I just checked a few other high-profile apache sites, and most all of
> them have either a "Contributes" or "Who we are" page:
> 
> http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/contributors.html
> http://struts.apache.org/volunteers.html
> http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/contributors.html
> http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html
> 
> The Ant page is, imho, the best:
> http://ant.apache.org/contributors.html
> 
> It lists active folks with their bio's and links (hey, no reason you
> gents shouldn't get a little shameless promotion so maybe O'Reilly or
> Symposium folks will want you to write a book or speak at their next
> gig. ;-)
> 
> And it has a section for "emeretis" folks...like, cough, perhaps Geir
> might move into that category -- since we haven't heard a peep from him
> in a while. <grin>
> 
> Cheers,
> Timo
> 
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