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List:       ubuntu-users
Subject:    Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative help&support
From:       Johnny Rosenberg <gurus.knugum () gmail ! com>
Date:       2015-07-18 17:23:37
Message-ID: CADo7T4eXPLVAeaRmTkMDgRayLVJkVj3XTuGBwDCo2r7gaSZqRw () mail ! gmail ! com
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Ooops, sorry for that one. I'm was thinking too fast… This was meant
to a totally different list, sorry again.


2015-07-18 19:22 GMT+02:00 Johnny Rosenberg <gurus.knugum@gmail.com>:
> 2015-07-18 19:09 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies <tomcecf@gmail.com>:
>>
>> Hi :)
>> I think this mailing list is often quite helpful about wider issues than it
>> is meant for.
>>
>> This mailing list has been quite supportive of people with questions about
>> various versions of Linux.  I really like it when someone who has been a
>> huge help to others about technical issues in LibreOffice is then supported
>> by others in return.
>>
>>
>> My history with Linux ...
>> It took me a few goes before i found which version of Linux suited me
>> most.  I'm very much a point&click user so i went with "Gateway" (or
>> user-friendly) distros to start with.  Mostly they are all good and so just
>> settling with anything is good but sometimes trying a different flavour
>> makes things feel more comfortable.
>>
>> Mageia (formerly Mandriva in the same way that LibreOffice was formerly
>> OpenOffice) felt magical to me, fresh from Windows, but i didn't like the
>> blues in the default theme at the time.  Wolvix was a really friendly and
>> tiny team.  I could imagine meeting them at certain types of gigs and
>> enjoying beers and moshing.  But Slackware is not hugely easy for
>> point&click users so i tried a few others and settled on Ubuntu as being my
>> main distro while still doing a bit more distro-hopping.
>>
>> Something i really liked was that during that stumbling around
>> distro-hopping stage nothing i learned was wasted.  Even just using Wolvix
>> and it's excellent installer helped me learn how to use Mageia and others
>> better.  The biggest step was from Windows but moving around between
>> different distros felt like everything stayed the same except the wallpaper
>> and other fairly trivial bits&bobs.
>>
>>
>> Over the last 7-8 years i have accidentally learned a few command-line
>> things so i would have to remember to use different names for a few things
>> but the basic grammar of the commands remains the same and most of the
>> commands are identical in all versions of linux.
>>
>> I have also accidentally learned how to ssh into remote machines (at least
>> ones i've been given passwords for!) to do a bit of systems administration
>> on multiple machines at once and i can rsync or scp to rapidly upload stuff
>> to the company's web-hosters or between desktops or between servers - all
>> with the same commands regardless of which version/flavour of linux they
>> use.
>>
>> I've also learned how to create virtual machines to use Windows inside
>> Linux gaining the advantage of Linux solid foundations and minimal use of
>> resources to abstract-away some of the typical problems of installing
>> Windows.
>>
>> Plus i would have never learned about powerful tools to clone drives and
>> many other things that i would probably never have learned, or that having
>> learned once would have to keep relearning new tools in order to keep doing
>> the same thing.
>>
>>
>>
>> Wine and "Play on Linux" and Crossover and others are all great ways of
>> running Windows programs within Linux without needing an extra layer(s) for
>> emulators or virtual machines.
>>
>> Some versions/flavours of Linux can be installed within Windows, such as
>> Ubuntu's "Wubi" and Puppy-Linux but that seems to be an odd way of doing
>> it.
>>
>> Using Windows as the base and then having another OS within that either as
>> the Wubi or the Puppy-Linux way or inside a virtual machine seems a bit
>> weird to me.  Windows is not really a good stable foundation plus it tends
>> to be quite heavy in it's use of resources and doesn't have a reputation of
>> "playing well with others".  Linux is much stronger on bare-metal so you'd
>> be missing some of the key advantages of Linux and really kinda combining
>> the worst aspects of both types of OSes.  However, many people have a lot
>> of success with it and it might be a good way-in.
>>
>>
>> So, anyway, i hope that people do ask more questions about how to use Linux
>> on this mailing list and that we are able to help signpost people to the
>> best places to ask questions or even just quickly help directly solve the
>> problem.
>>
>> Regards from
>> Tom :)
>
>
> I think people will be somewhat frustrated if people suddenly starts
> to ask questions about other things than what the list was meant for.
> If you use Ubuntu, there already is a list:
> ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com
>
> I'm sure there are lists for most GNU/Linux-distributions, but since I
> currently use Ubuntu, that is the only list that I use.
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 18 July 2015 at 16:00, Gary Dale <garydale@torfree.net> wrote:
>>
>> > On 18/07/15 04:31 AM, yahoo-pier_andreit wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 07/18/2015 09:32 AM, Thomas wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 2015/07/18 6:50, Jack Wallen wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> Thank you for sharing that, Charles (I'm the author). Glad to know it
>> >>>> resonated.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Jack
>> >>>>
>> >>> Thank YOU, Mr. Wallen, for your article.
>> >>> Although I know, this does not belong here, just a word.
>> >>> I have been trying (STRUGGLING) to move away from MS and get friendly
>> >>> with Linux for 7-8 years now!
>> >>> So far with little success. Yet, I still keep trying.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> many thanks jack, :-)
>> >> I'm not an expert, I start to use linux, basically opensuse, in 2000, and
>> >> I agree with thomas, my son, my sister, my nephews uses linux, but, if I
>> >> didn't install it and configure it and solved the problems that rised up
>> >> and sometimes continues to pop up, they never started to use linux. too
>> >> complicate... :-)
>> >>
>> >
>> > The same issue afflicts Windows. It's just that Windows usually comes
>> > pre-installed. Having performed a lot of installs of both types, I've found
>> > the Linux installs to be simpler and a lot faster. Windows may get to the
>> > login screen a bit faster but then you've got interminable updates to
>> > install with reboots needed between most of them.
>> >
>> > As for needing assistance, I find a lot more problems cropping up with
>> > Windows than with Linux. And yes, most end-users aren't equipped to deal
>> > with them but that isn't dependent on the operating system. However fixing
>> > Windows problems is more difficult and sometimes even fruitless (e.g.
>> > Windows Updates that mysteriously fail).
>> >
>> > I've used Linux pretty much exclusively (except for an income tax program
>> > that I haven't got to work in wine) for 18 years. I find Windows to be
>> > awkward and limiting. And after looking at Windows 8, it seems to be
>> > getting worse, not better.
>> >
>> >
>>
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