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Subject: Re: OT: Advise me - shoping for new laptop.
From: Doug <dmcgarrett () optonline ! net>
Date: 2014-12-29 7:37:18
Message-ID: 54A104AE.4000306 () optonline ! net
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On 12/28/2014 10:31 PM, Robert Heller wrote:
> At Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:41:43 +0000 (UTC) "Ubuntu user technical support, not for \
> general discussions" <ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > My new laptop most likely will be Dell Precision M4800 Workstation.
> > After looking through forums and googling I still need more input to make
> > final decision (the damn thing IS expensive) on the components bellow.
> >
> > Please, share with me your personal experiences and opinions: which is
> > better supported, will will give me less grief from offset and in the
> > foreseeable future?
> >
> > Wireless card:
> > -------------
> >
> > Intel ® Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260
> > 802.11ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 Half Mini Card
> > vs.
> > Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 802.11n 3x3 Half Mini Card
> The Intel wireless are the *best* supported under Linux: the drivers are open
> source AND supported by Intel (actually ditto for Intel wired NICs -- Intel's
> decision to provide *supported* open source drivers for their NICs is said to
> have pissed off Bill Gates). I don't believe *any* of the other wireless chips
> have vendor support open source drivers. They either are reverse engineered or
> communitly written. Or else closed source or are wrapped MS-Windows drivers.
> The only issue with Intel drivers would be the firmware, but I believe Ubuntu
> distributes the firmware as a separate package.
>
> > vs.
> > Dell Wireless 1550 2X2 802.11ac + Bluetooth 4.0
> > vs.
> > Dell Wireless 1601 2x2 802.11n+BT+60GHz (WiGig)
> >
> > Graphic card (it's going to be 15.6" QHD+ (3200x1800) Panel):
> > ------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Nvidia ® Quadro ® K1100M w/2GB GDDR5
> > vs.
> > NvidiaQuadro K2100Mw/2GB GDDR5
> Nvidia graphics cards are something of bitch in terms of support. Yes, Nvidia
> provides semi-closed source drivers, but you need to re-build them when you
> upgrade/update your kernel. OTOH, if you can live with hardware accel, the
> open source (XOrg) drivers work well enough. In terms of driver support,
> Intel video is better supported (see above).
>
> > Thanks.
> >
> >
>
>
I'm writing from a Dell, a few years old. You'll notice it has NVidia
video, and it works fine. I just upgraded from a 14.4 kernel to an 18.1
and there
was no problem with the video--I was watching a Youtube performance a
few minutes ago.
The Dells have a pretty good keyboard, but I'm using an IBM model M
while I'm at home. No problem with the external k/b or external pointing
device--
a Kensington track-ball here. I have also plugged in an extra external
optical drive, with LightScribe capability--that works OK too.
I bought the machine from a refurbisher, and it came with Windows 7. If
you get one like that and want to keep Windows, you should use Windows
to modify the partition scheme. I used Linux, and I wound up with a
small extra partition that I couldn't get rid of and have Linux work. I
live with it--
it doesn't eat much! (OTOH, I don't know how to manipulate partitions
with Windows, I just know it can be done.)
This is my second Dell--the other was quite a bit older, and Win7 was
kind of slow on it. So you see I kinda like the brand. I have no
financial interest in
them, tho.
Here are a few excerpts from lshw:
dell2
description: Laptop
product: Latitude E6510 ()
*-cpu
description: CPU
product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU M 620 @ 2.67GHz
vendor: Intel Corp.
*-display
description: VGA compatible controller
product: GT218M [NVS 3100M]
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0
bus info: pci@0000:01:00.0
version: a2
width: 64 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller
bus_master cap_list rom
configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0
resources: irq:28 memory:e2000000-e2ffffff
memory:d0000000-dfffffff memory:e0000000-e1ffffff ioport:7000(size=128)
memory:e3000000-e307ffff
*-multimedia
description: Audio device
product: High Definition Audio Controller
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation
physical id: 0.1
bus info: pci@0000:01:00.1
version: a1
width: 32 bits
clock: 33MHz
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list
configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0
resources: irq:16 memory:e3080000-e3083fff
--doug
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 12/28/2014 10:31 PM, Robert Heller
wrote:<br>
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<blockquote
cite="mid:201412290331.sBT3Vstv032551@sharky2.deepsoft.com"
type="cite">
<pre wrap="">At Mon, 29 Dec 2014 02:41:43 +0000 (UTC) "Ubuntu user technical \
support, not for general discussions" <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" \
href="mailto:ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com"><ubuntu-users@lists.ubuntu.com></a> \
wrote:
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
Hi folks,
My new laptop most likely will be Dell Precision M4800 Workstation.
After looking through forums and googling I still need more input to make
final decision (the damn thing IS expensive) on the components bellow.
Please, share with me your personal experiences and opinions: which is
better supported, will will give me less grief from offset and in the
foreseeable future?
Wireless card:
-------------
Intel ® Dual Band Wireless-AC 7260
802.11ac/a/b/g/n 2x2 Half Mini Card
vs.
Intel Centrino Ultimate-N 6300 802.11n 3x3 Half Mini Card
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
The Intel wireless are the *best* supported under Linux: the drivers are open
source AND supported by Intel (actually ditto for Intel wired NICs -- Intel's
decision to provide *supported* open source drivers for their NICs is said to
have pissed off Bill Gates). I don't believe *any* of the other wireless chips
have vendor support open source drivers. They either are reverse engineered or
communitly written. Or else closed source or are wrapped MS-Windows drivers.
The only issue with Intel drivers would be the firmware, but I believe Ubuntu
distributes the firmware as a separate package.
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap=""> vs.
Dell Wireless 1550 2X2 802.11ac + Bluetooth 4.0
vs.
Dell Wireless 1601 2x2 802.11n+BT+60GHz (WiGig)
Graphic card (it's going to be 15.6" QHD+ (3200x1800) Panel):
------------------------------------------------------------
Nvidia ® Quadro ® K1100M w/2GB GDDR5
vs.
NvidiaQuadro K2100Mw/2GB GDDR5
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
Nvidia graphics cards are something of bitch in terms of support. Yes, Nvidia
provides semi-closed source drivers, but you need to re-build them when you
upgrade/update your kernel. OTOH, if you can live with hardware accel, the
open source (XOrg) drivers work well enough. In terms of driver support,
Intel video is better supported (see above).
</pre>
<blockquote type="cite">
<pre wrap="">
Thanks.
</pre>
</blockquote>
<pre wrap="">
</pre>
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I'm writing from a Dell, a few years old. You'll notice it has
NVidia video, and it works fine. I just upgraded from a 14.4 kernel
to an 18.1 and there<br>
was no problem with the video--I was watching a Youtube performance
a few minutes ago.<br>
The Dells have a pretty good keyboard, but I'm using an IBM model M
while I'm at home. No problem with the external k/b or external
pointing device--<br>
a Kensington track-ball here. I have also plugged in an extra
external optical drive, with LightScribe capability--that works OK
too.<br>
I bought the machine from a refurbisher, and it came with Windows 7.
If you get one like that and want to keep Windows, you should use
Windows<br>
to modify the partition scheme. I used Linux, and I wound up with a
small extra partition that I couldn't get rid of and have Linux
work. I live with it--<br>
it doesn't eat much! (OTOH, I don't know how to manipulate
partitions with Windows, I just know it can be done.)<br>
<br>
This is my second Dell--the other was quite a bit older, and Win7
was kind of slow on it. So you see I kinda like the brand. I have no
financial interest in<br>
them, tho.<br>
<br>
Here are a few excerpts from lshw:<br>
<br>
<br>
dell2 <br>
description: Laptop<br>
product: Latitude E6510 ()<br>
<br>
*-cpu<br>
description: CPU<br>
product: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7 CPU M 620 @ 2.67GHz<br>
vendor: Intel Corp.<br>
<br>
*-display<br>
description: VGA compatible controller<br>
product: GT218M [NVS 3100M]<br>
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation<br>
physical id: 0<br>
bus info: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" \
href="mailto:pci@0000:01:00.0">pci@0000:01:00.0</a><br> version: a2<br>
width: 64 bits<br>
clock: 33MHz<br>
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress vga_controller
bus_master cap_list rom<br>
configuration: driver=nvidia latency=0<br>
resources: irq:28 memory:e2000000-e2ffffff
memory:d0000000-dfffffff memory:e0000000-e1ffffff
ioport:7000(size=128) memory:e3000000-e307ffff<br>
*-multimedia<br>
description: Audio device<br>
product: High Definition Audio Controller<br>
vendor: NVIDIA Corporation<br>
physical id: 0.1<br>
bus info: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" \
href="mailto:pci@0000:01:00.1">pci@0000:01:00.1</a><br> version: a1<br>
width: 32 bits<br>
clock: 33MHz<br>
capabilities: pm msi pciexpress bus_master cap_list<br>
configuration: driver=snd_hda_intel latency=0<br>
resources: irq:16 memory:e3080000-e3083fff<br>
<br>
--doug<br>
<br>
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