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Subject:    [THIN] Re: TSE on ESX
From:       "James Scanlon" <James.Scanlon () hoaresbank ! co ! uk>
Date:       2011-04-06 12:39:08
Message-ID: 7017DCF50B879545ABDDB4714AEC76C602C660C4 () lvfsexchange01 ! chcad ! co ! uk
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our findings were 64bit windows2008 OS on vmware 3.5 or earlier were
HORRENDOUS with more than 4GB of ram.
vSphere upgrade is supposed to repair this memory and 64 bit issue /
limitation / slowness apparently...?
eitherway our solution was downgrading to 4GB of ram (until vsphere
upgrade)... no worries.
 

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: 06 April 2011 13:34
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: TSE on ESX


yep, x64, both old physical and new VM.


On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, James Scanlon
<James.Scanlon@hoaresbank.co.uk> wrote:


	is it a 64bit server?

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	From: thin-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Snyder
	Sent: 06 April 2011 13:15
	To: thin@freelists.org
	Subject: [THIN] TSE on ESX
	
	
	Playing around a bit with w2k8 tse on running as a VM (single
Xeon cpu, 8GB ram) on ESX4 and while it does seem better than my last
experience doing this (W2K3  in a VM on ESX 3.0), it is still noticeably
slower than the last farm I built on physical servers (W2K3 on HP
Proliant 385G4 - dual-opteron, 4GB ram).
	
	Mainly just noticing that office 2007 apps take several seconds
to load (like on a PC) while on my last farm the app was loaded and
ready in under a second - things like that.
	
	Has anyone else noticed this, or care? Is it the reality of the
overhead of running as a VM, or has W2K8 found to be more sluggish than
W2K3?
	
	I'm trying to build a case for thin clients and being able to
demonstrate noticeably better performance on a TC is a good selling
point that I hate to not have.
	
	Nope, haven't had a chance to load up with multiple users and
see how it scales.
	

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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=721113612-06042011><FONT color=#0000ff 
size=2 face=Arial>our findings were 64bit windows2008 OS on vmware 3.5 or 
earlier were HORRENDOUS with more than 4GB of ram.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=721113612-06042011><FONT color=#0000ff 
size=2 face=Arial>vSphere upgrade is supposed to repair this memory and 64 bit 
issue / limitation / slowness apparently...?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=721113612-06042011><FONT color=#0000ff 
size=2 face=Arial>eitherway our solution was downgrading to 4GB of ram (until 
vsphere upgrade)... no worries.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> thin-bounce@freelists.org 
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve 
Snyder<BR><B>Sent:</B> 06 April 2011 13:34<BR><B>To:</B> 
thin@freelists.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [THIN] Re: TSE on ESX<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>yep, x64, both old physical and new VM.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, James Scanlon <SPAN 
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href="mailto:James.Scanlon@hoaresbank.co.uk">James.Scanlon@hoaresbank.co.uk</A>&gt;</SPAN> \
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  <DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>is it a 
  64bit server?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
  <DIV dir=ltr lang=en-us align=left>
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  <FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org" 
  target=_blank>thin-bounce@freelists.org</A> [mailto:<A 
  href="mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org" 
  target=_blank>thin-bounce@freelists.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve 
  Snyder<BR><B>Sent:</B> 06 April 2011 13:15<BR><B>To:</B> <A 
  href="mailto:thin@freelists.org" 
  target=_blank>thin@freelists.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [THIN] TSE on 
  ESX<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>
  <DIV></DIV>
  <DIV class=h5>
  <DIV></DIV>Playing around a bit with w2k8 tse on running as a VM (single Xeon 
  cpu, 8GB ram) on ESX4 and while it does seem better than my last experience 
  doing this (W2K3&nbsp; in a VM on ESX 3.0), it is still noticeably slower than 
  the last farm I built on physical servers (W2K3 on HP Proliant 385G4 - 
  dual-opteron, 4GB ram).<BR><BR>Mainly just noticing that office 2007 apps take 
  several seconds to load (like on a PC) while on my last farm the app was 
  loaded and ready in under a second - things like that.<BR><BR>Has anyone else 
  noticed this, or care? Is it the reality of the overhead of running as a VM, 
  or has W2K8 found to be more sluggish than W2K3?<BR><BR>I'm trying to build a 
  case for thin clients and being able to demonstrate noticeably better 
  performance on a TC is a good selling point that I hate to not 
  have.<BR><BR>Nope, haven't had a chance to load up with multiple users and see 
  how it scales.<BR></DIV></DIV>
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