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Subject: [THIN] Re: TSE on ESX
From: "James Scanlon" <James.Scanlon () hoaresbank ! co ! uk>
Date: 2011-04-06 12:39:08
Message-ID: 7017DCF50B879545ABDDB4714AEC76C602C660C4 () lvfsexchange01 ! chcad ! co ! uk
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our findings were 64bit windows2008 OS on vmware 3.5 or earlier were
HORRENDOUS with more than 4GB of ram.
vSphere upgrade is supposed to repair this memory and 64 bit issue /
limitation / slowness apparently...?
eitherway our solution was downgrading to 4GB of ram (until vsphere
upgrade)... no worries.
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On
Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: 06 April 2011 13:34
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: TSE on ESX
yep, x64, both old physical and new VM.
On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, James Scanlon
<James.Scanlon@hoaresbank.co.uk> wrote:
is it a 64bit server?
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[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf Of Steve Snyder
Sent: 06 April 2011 13:15
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] TSE on ESX
Playing around a bit with w2k8 tse on running as a VM (single
Xeon cpu, 8GB ram) on ESX4 and while it does seem better than my last
experience doing this (W2K3 in a VM on ESX 3.0), it is still noticeably
slower than the last farm I built on physical servers (W2K3 on HP
Proliant 385G4 - dual-opteron, 4GB ram).
Mainly just noticing that office 2007 apps take several seconds
to load (like on a PC) while on my last farm the app was loaded and
ready in under a second - things like that.
Has anyone else noticed this, or care? Is it the reality of the
overhead of running as a VM, or has W2K8 found to be more sluggish than
W2K3?
I'm trying to build a case for thin clients and being able to
demonstrate noticeably better performance on a TC is a good selling
point that I hate to not have.
Nope, haven't had a chance to load up with multiple users and
see how it scales.
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=721113612-06042011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>our findings were 64bit windows2008 OS on vmware 3.5 or
earlier were HORRENDOUS with more than 4GB of ram.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=721113612-06042011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>vSphere upgrade is supposed to repair this memory and 64 bit
issue / limitation / slowness apparently...?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=721113612-06042011><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>eitherway our solution was downgrading to 4GB of ram (until
vsphere upgrade)... no worries.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> thin-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve
Snyder<BR><B>Sent:</B> 06 April 2011 13:34<BR><B>To:</B>
thin@freelists.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [THIN] Re: TSE on ESX<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>yep, x64, both old physical and new VM.<BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>On Wed, Apr 6, 2011 at 2:21 PM, James Scanlon <SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial>is it a
64bit server?</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> <A
href="mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org"
target=_blank>thin-bounce@freelists.org</A> [mailto:<A
href="mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org"
target=_blank>thin-bounce@freelists.org</A>] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Steve
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href="mailto:thin@freelists.org"
target=_blank>thin@freelists.org</A><BR><B>Subject:</B> [THIN] TSE on
ESX<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>
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<DIV></DIV>Playing around a bit with w2k8 tse on running as a VM (single Xeon
cpu, 8GB ram) on ESX4 and while it does seem better than my last experience
doing this (W2K3 in a VM on ESX 3.0), it is still noticeably slower than
the last farm I built on physical servers (W2K3 on HP Proliant 385G4 -
dual-opteron, 4GB ram).<BR><BR>Mainly just noticing that office 2007 apps take
several seconds to load (like on a PC) while on my last farm the app was
loaded and ready in under a second - things like that.<BR><BR>Has anyone else
noticed this, or care? Is it the reality of the overhead of running as a VM,
or has W2K8 found to be more sluggish than W2K3?<BR><BR>I'm trying to build a
case for thin clients and being able to demonstrate noticeably better
performance on a TC is a good selling point that I hate to not
have.<BR><BR>Nope, haven't had a chance to load up with multiple users and see
how it scales.<BR></DIV></DIV>
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