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Subject:    [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
From:       "Steve Greenberg" <steveg () thinclient ! net>
Date:       2005-11-30 23:53:16
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Agreed, Tricerat has taken this tehcnology much further than EMF and as a
result is approaching 100% reliable client printing....
 

Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@thinclient.net



 

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Tim Mangan
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:26 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?



Tricerat used to have a similar approach.  They abandoned it years ago
because you still need drivers on the server.  Their approach these days
avoids loading drivers on the server (hence the name "Screwdrivers").

 

tim

 

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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Robert K Coffman Jr - Info From Data
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:09 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

 

Is this what Tricerat etc. do?  Is that functionality now in the combination
of MPS4 and PN 9?

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:55 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

I think the distinction is that when using EMF the print job is still in
it's raw format when on the server, i.e. much smaller and not driver
specific. It is still processed on the server, but the overhead is minimal.
The EMF data is then sent down to the client where it is processed by the
client print driver, i,e, "unpacked". Think of a PDF file that is 100k on
disk and then when you print it the spool file is several megs. The "several
megs" part only happens on the client.


Does that make sense?

 

Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@thinclient.net

 

 


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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:45 PM
To: 'thin@freelists.org'
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

Don't know Evan as have not used or even tested MPS4 yet. Am hoping someone
will enlighten us!

I don't think it's UPD as that is still using spooler service. My
understanding was new way of printing completely bypasses traditional way of
TS or Citrix printing so that nothing is "spooled" on Citrix - the app doing
the printing along with Windows OS creates the raw EMF file which gets
directly sent down to ICA client were it then gets spooled for first and
only time. Maybe I was dreaming. :-) It was too good to be true after all..

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:25 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

 

Is "EMF or driverless" is basically using the UPD?  I went straight to
installing drivers.  We had little time to test the Citrix farm, and I
couldn't afford lip from users.  I tried the UPD on my Dell printers, and a
few Savin's, but none worked for much of anything. I'd imagine it would be
fairly foolproof on the HP LaserJet 4xxx series printers I use.

 

 


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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:15 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

So did you go to "installing the print drivers on Citrix" right away as that
is your preference(and has been mine as well) OR did you try to print the
new MPS4 way without a driver, the "EMF or driverless" way first and because
did not work too well revert to "installing drivers on Citrix"?

What I am looking for is feedback from anyone who has tried to go driverless
on Citrix with MPS 4 to see how well that works...

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:51 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

 

Yup, I am installing the actual printer drivers on 1 citrix server, then
replicating them to the entire farm, so every printer maps to the actual
driver for that printer.  I try to use the same driver across all my sites
using Citrix, but that's not always the case.  My citrix server has the
newest versions, but some sites will have an older one.

 

Anyway, I do this because I personally feel it will give me the least amount
of problems, and I use a fairly standard set of about a dozen different HP
LaserJet's and a Dell 1700/1710/5300's.


I do manual printer mappings for random printers people use at home, like
DeskJet's to DeskJet 550C, and some older laserjet's to the LJ4.  I'm just
trying to head off at the pass any potential UPD realted problems, because I
had already ran into them when I tried to rely on it for a few printers.

 

 


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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:25 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

When you say using all native drivers I assume you are installing the
dirvers on Citrix server and letting them map when users log on 1:1 vs. any
type of UPD. BUT I thought the promise with MPS4 was(with the caveat that
some apps would still fall back to old way of printing if EMF file handling
was not possible in the way required) that the EMF print file would be sent
directly down to the client effectively doing away with the need to install
any drivers on Citrix?

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:08 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?

 

My farm is a clean install of 2003 SP1 with MPS4.0, no upgrades or anything
like that.  The farm itself is extremely stable.  I have 2 zones with 2
servers per zone and a single WI server (I also use CSG).  My only issues
have been all printing related, but some were fixed by hotfixes (Print
Manager crashing) and others appear to be related to an app I use that
relies on a kernel mode driver.  I use all native drivers, not the UPD, and
I don't do any imported network printing, so it's pretty striaght forward on
the printing end.  I'm most likely going to deploy ScrewDrivers if my
testing proves to solve some application specific printing issues.

 

 

 

 

 

 


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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:50 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] How ready\stable is MPS 4?

How far have things come? If stability is my number one priority should I
stick with XP FR3?

Also the real attraction for our company would be the apparent ease with
which printing in theory is dealt with by MPS 4 - how much has this proven
true in practice for others?

 

Also I assume the upgrade path from XP3 to MPS4 is not smooth and possibly
not even an option from what I recall reading on the topic last spring?
Probably need to be on PS 3 to upgrade to 4?

 

Steve Parr

Metroland Printing, Publishing and Distributing Ltd.



 


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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843085223-30112005><FONT face=Arial 
size=2>Agreed, Tricerat has taken this&nbsp;tehcnology much further than EMF and 
as a result is approaching 100% reliable client printing....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<P align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Greenberg<BR>Thin Client 
Computing<BR>34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453<BR>Scottsdale, AZ 
85262<BR>(602) 432-8649<BR>(602) 296-0411 
fax<BR>steveg@thinclient.net<BR><BR></P></FONT>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV><BR>
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader lang=en-us dir=ltr align=left>
<HR tabIndex=-1>
<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> thin-bounce@freelists.org 
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim 
Mangan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
thin@freelists.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 
4?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>
<DIV class=Section1>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tricerat used to have a 
similar approach.&nbsp; They abandoned it years ago because you still need 
drivers on the server.&nbsp; Their approach these days avoids loading drivers on 
the server (hence the name &#8220;Screwdrivers&#8221;).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
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Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial \
color=navy size=2><SPAN  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: \
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT  face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">  thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Robert K Coffman Jr - Info  From Data<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday,  November 30, 2005 4:09 PM<BR><B><SPAN \
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>  thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN \
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>  [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" \
size=3><SPAN  style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this what Tricerat 
etc. do?&nbsp; Is that functionality now in the combination of MPS4 and PN 
9?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN 
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  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original 
  Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> 
  thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Steve Greenberg<BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:55 
  PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> 
  thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> 
  [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think the distinction is that 
  when using EMF the print job is still in it's raw format when on the server, 
  i.e. much smaller and not driver specific.&nbsp;It is still processed on the 
  server, but the overhead is minimal. The EMF data is then sent down to the 
  client where it is processed by the client print driver, i,e, "unpacked". 
  Think of a PDF file&nbsp;that is&nbsp;100k on disk and then when you print it 
  the spool file is several megs. The "several megs" part only happens on the 
  client.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Does that make 
  sense?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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  <P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve Greenberg<BR>Thin Client 
  Computing<BR><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address 
  style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"   tabIndex=0 \
w:st="on">34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite   \
D8453</st1:address></st1:Street><BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City   \
w:st="on">Scottsdale</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">AZ</st1:State>   \
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">85262</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><BR>(602)   \
432-8649<BR>(602) 296-0411   \
fax<BR>steveg@thinclient.net<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>  <DIV>
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  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><B><FONT face=Tahoma 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT   face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">   thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Steve Parr<BR><B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> \
Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:45   PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B>   'thin@freelists.org'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy \
size=2><SPAN   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don't know \
Evan as   have not used or even tested MPS4 yet. Am hoping someone will enlighten 
  us!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't think it's 
  UPD as that is still using spooler service. My understanding was new way of 
  printing completely bypasses traditional way of TS or Citrix printing so that 
  nothing is "spooled" on Citrix - the app doing the printing along with Windows 
  OS creates the raw EMF file which gets directly sent down to ICA client were 
  it then gets spooled for first and only time. Maybe I was dreaming. 
  </SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT 
  face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> It was too good to 
  be true after all..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: \
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">-----Original   Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Evan Mann   [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> <st1:date 
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Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30,   2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="25" Hour="15">3:25   PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B>   thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT \
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0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue   size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is&nbsp;"EMF or 
  driverless" is basically using the UPD?&nbsp; I went straight to installing 
  drivers.&nbsp; We had little time to test the Citrix farm, and I couldn't 
  afford lip from users.&nbsp; I tried the UPD on my Dell printers, and a few 
  Savin's, but none worked for much of anything. I'd imagine it would be fairly 
  foolproof on the HP LaserJet 4xxx series printers I 
  use.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">   thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Steve Parr<BR><B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> \
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Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30,   2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="15" Hour="15">3:15   PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B>   thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT \
face=Arial color=navy   size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; \
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So did   you go to "installing the print drivers on Citrix" right \
away as that is your   preference(and has been mine as well) OR did you try to print \
the new MPS4 way   without a driver, the "EMF or driverless" way first and because \
did not work   too well revert to "installing drivers on 
Citrix"?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What I 
  am looking for is feedback from anyone who has tried to go driverless on 
  Citrix with MPS 4 to see how well that works...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: \
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">-----Original   Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Evan Mann   [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> <st1:date 
  style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"   tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30,   2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="51" Hour="14">2:51   PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B>   thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT \
face="Times New Roman"   size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue   size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; \
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yup, I   am installing the actual printer drivers on 1 citrix \
server, then replicating   them to the entire farm, so every printer maps to&nbsp;the \
actual driver for   that printer.&nbsp; I try to use the same driver across all my \
sites using   Citrix, but that's not always the case.&nbsp; My citrix server has the \
newest   versions, but some sites will have an older \
one.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT \
face="Times New Roman"   size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue   size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; \
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway,   I do this because I personally feel it will give me the \
least amount of   problems, and I use a fairly standard set of about a dozen \
different   HP&nbsp;LaserJet's and a&nbsp;Dell 
  1700/1710/5300's.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue 
  size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>I do 
  manual printer mappings for&nbsp;random printers people use at home, like 
  DeskJet's&nbsp;to&nbsp;DeskJet 550C, and some older laserjet's to the 
  LJ4.&nbsp; I'm just trying to head off at the pass any potential UPD realted 
  problems, because I had already ran into them when I tried to rely on it for a 
  few printers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
  <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
  <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT 
  face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
  <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=3>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal 
  style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; \
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><B><FONT   face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT   face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">   thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Steve Parr<BR><B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> \
<st1:date   style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"   tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30,   2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="25" Hour="12">12:25   PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B>   thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT \
face=Arial color=navy   size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; \
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When you   say using all native drivers I assume you are \
installing the dirvers on Citrix   server and letting them map when users log on 1:1 \
vs. any type of UPD. BUT I   thought the promise with MPS4 was(with the caveat that \
some apps would still   fall back to old way of printing if EMF file handling was not \
possible in the   way required) that the EMF print file would be sent directly down \
to the   client effectively doing away with the need to install any drivers on 
  Citrix?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy 
  size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: \
Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">-----Original   Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Evan Mann   [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] <BR><B><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> <st1:date 
  style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"   tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30,   2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="8" Hour="12">12:08   PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B>   thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>   [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT \
face="Times New Roman"   size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue   size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: \
blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My farm   is a clean install of 2003 SP1 with MPS4.0, no \
upgrades or anything like   that.&nbsp; The farm itself is extremely stable.&nbsp; I \
have 2 zones with 2   servers per zone and a single WI server (I also use CSG).&nbsp; \
My only issues   have been all printing related, but some were fixed by hotfixes \
(Print Manager   crashing) and others appear to be related to an app I use that \
relies on a   kernel mode driver.&nbsp; I use all native drivers, not the UPD, and I \
don't   do any imported network printing, so it's pretty striaght forward on the 
  printing end.&nbsp; I'm most likely going to deploy ScrewDrivers if my testing 
  proves to solve some application specific printing 
  issues.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
  <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
  <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in">
  <DIV class=MsoNormal style="TEXT-ALIGN: center" align=center><FONT 
  face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt">
  <HR align=center width="100%" SIZE=3>
  </SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
  <P class=MsoNormal 
  style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; \
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><B><FONT   face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT   face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">   thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Steve Parr<BR><B><SPAN   style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> \
<st1:date   style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x"   tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30,   2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="50" Hour="11">11:50   AM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B>   thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>   [THIN] How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT \
face=Arial size=2><SPAN   style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How far have \
things come? If   stability is my number one priority should I stick with XP 
  FR3?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also the real attraction for our 
  company would be the apparent ease with which printing in theory is dealt with 
  by MPS 4 - how much has this proven true in practice for 
  others?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also I assume the upgrade path 
  from XP3 to MPS4 is not smooth and possibly not even an option from what I 
  recall reading on the topic last spring? Probably need to be on PS 3 to 
  upgrade to 4?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve 
  Parr<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN 
  style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Metroland Printing, Publishing and 
  Distributing Ltd.<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
  <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman" 
  size=3><SPAN 
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BODY></HTML>



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