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Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
From: "Steve Greenberg" <steveg () thinclient ! net>
Date: 2005-11-30 23:53:16
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Agreed, Tricerat has taken this tehcnology much further than EMF and as a
result is approaching 100% reliable client printing....
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@thinclient.net
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Tim Mangan
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:26 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Tricerat used to have a similar approach. They abandoned it years ago
because you still need drivers on the server. Their approach these days
avoids loading drivers on the server (hence the name "Screwdrivers").
tim
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Robert K Coffman Jr - Info From Data
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:09 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Is this what Tricerat etc. do? Is that functionality now in the combination
of MPS4 and PN 9?
-----Original Message-----
From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Greenberg
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:55 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
I think the distinction is that when using EMF the print job is still in
it's raw format when on the server, i.e. much smaller and not driver
specific. It is still processed on the server, but the overhead is minimal.
The EMF data is then sent down to the client where it is processed by the
client print driver, i,e, "unpacked". Think of a PDF file that is 100k on
disk and then when you print it the spool file is several megs. The "several
megs" part only happens on the client.
Does that make sense?
Steve Greenberg
Thin Client Computing
34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453
Scottsdale, AZ 85262
(602) 432-8649
(602) 296-0411 fax
steveg@thinclient.net
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:45 PM
To: 'thin@freelists.org'
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Don't know Evan as have not used or even tested MPS4 yet. Am hoping someone
will enlighten us!
I don't think it's UPD as that is still using spooler service. My
understanding was new way of printing completely bypasses traditional way of
TS or Citrix printing so that nothing is "spooled" on Citrix - the app doing
the printing along with Windows OS creates the raw EMF file which gets
directly sent down to ICA client were it then gets spooled for first and
only time. Maybe I was dreaming. :-) It was too good to be true after all..
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:25 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Is "EMF or driverless" is basically using the UPD? I went straight to
installing drivers. We had little time to test the Citrix farm, and I
couldn't afford lip from users. I tried the UPD on my Dell printers, and a
few Savin's, but none worked for much of anything. I'd imagine it would be
fairly foolproof on the HP LaserJet 4xxx series printers I use.
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:15 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
So did you go to "installing the print drivers on Citrix" right away as that
is your preference(and has been mine as well) OR did you try to print the
new MPS4 way without a driver, the "EMF or driverless" way first and because
did not work too well revert to "installing drivers on Citrix"?
What I am looking for is feedback from anyone who has tried to go driverless
on Citrix with MPS 4 to see how well that works...
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 2:51 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
Yup, I am installing the actual printer drivers on 1 citrix server, then
replicating them to the entire farm, so every printer maps to the actual
driver for that printer. I try to use the same driver across all my sites
using Citrix, but that's not always the case. My citrix server has the
newest versions, but some sites will have an older one.
Anyway, I do this because I personally feel it will give me the least amount
of problems, and I use a fairly standard set of about a dozen different HP
LaserJet's and a Dell 1700/1710/5300's.
I do manual printer mappings for random printers people use at home, like
DeskJet's to DeskJet 550C, and some older laserjet's to the LJ4. I'm just
trying to head off at the pass any potential UPD realted problems, because I
had already ran into them when I tried to rely on it for a few printers.
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:25 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
When you say using all native drivers I assume you are installing the
dirvers on Citrix server and letting them map when users log on 1:1 vs. any
type of UPD. BUT I thought the promise with MPS4 was(with the caveat that
some apps would still fall back to old way of printing if EMF file handling
was not possible in the way required) that the EMF print file would be sent
directly down to the client effectively doing away with the need to install
any drivers on Citrix?
-----Original Message-----
From: Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com]
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 12:08 PM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?
My farm is a clean install of 2003 SP1 with MPS4.0, no upgrades or anything
like that. The farm itself is extremely stable. I have 2 zones with 2
servers per zone and a single WI server (I also use CSG). My only issues
have been all printing related, but some were fixed by hotfixes (Print
Manager crashing) and others appear to be related to an app I use that
relies on a kernel mode driver. I use all native drivers, not the UPD, and
I don't do any imported network printing, so it's pretty striaght forward on
the printing end. I'm most likely going to deploy ScrewDrivers if my
testing proves to solve some application specific printing issues.
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From: thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] On Behalf
Of Steve Parr
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2005 11:50 AM
To: thin@freelists.org
Subject: [THIN] How ready\stable is MPS 4?
How far have things come? If stability is my number one priority should I
stick with XP FR3?
Also the real attraction for our company would be the apparent ease with
which printing in theory is dealt with by MPS 4 - how much has this proven
true in practice for others?
Also I assume the upgrade path from XP3 to MPS4 is not smooth and possibly
not even an option from what I recall reading on the topic last spring?
Probably need to be on PS 3 to upgrade to 4?
Steve Parr
Metroland Printing, Publishing and Distributing Ltd.
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=843085223-30112005><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Agreed, Tricerat has taken this tehcnology much further than EMF and
as a result is approaching 100% reliable client printing....</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<P align=left><FONT face=Arial size=2>Steve Greenberg<BR>Thin Client
Computing<BR>34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite D8453<BR>Scottsdale, AZ
85262<BR>(602) 432-8649<BR>(602) 296-0411
fax<BR>steveg@thinclient.net<BR><BR></P></FONT>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> thin-bounce@freelists.org
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Tim
Mangan<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:26 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
thin@freelists.org<BR><B>Subject:</B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS
4?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Tricerat used to have a
similar approach. They abandoned it years ago because you still need
drivers on the server. Their approach these days avoids loading drivers on
the server (hence the name “Screwdrivers”).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Robert K Coffman Jr - Info From Data<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, November 30, 2005 4:09 PM<BR><B><SPAN \
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN \
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face="Times New Roman" \
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is this what Tricerat
etc. do? Is that functionality now in the combination of MPS4 and PN
9?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma">-----Original
Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B>
thin-bounce@freelists.org [mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Steve Greenberg<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Wednesday, November 30, 2005 3:55
PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B>
[THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS 4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think the distinction is that
when using EMF the print job is still in it's raw format when on the server,
i.e. much smaller and not driver specific. It is still processed on the
server, but the overhead is minimal. The EMF data is then sent down to the
client where it is processed by the client print driver, i,e, "unpacked".
Think of a PDF file that is 100k on disk and then when you print it
the spool file is several megs. The "several megs" part only happens on the
client.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>Does that make
sense?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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<P style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve Greenberg<BR>Thin Client
Computing<BR><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address
style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x" tabIndex=0 \
w:st="on">34522 N. Scottsdale Rd. suite \
D8453</st1:address></st1:Street><BR><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:City \
w:st="on">Scottsdale</st1:City>, <st1:State w:st="on">AZ</st1:State> \
<st1:PostalCode w:st="on">85262</st1:PostalCode></st1:place><BR>(602) \
432-8649<BR>(602) 296-0411 \
fax<BR>steveg@thinclient.net<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <DIV>
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Steve Parr<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> \
Wednesday, November 30, 2005 1:45 PM<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B> 'thin@freelists.org'<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy \
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Don't know \
Evan as have not used or even tested MPS4 yet. Am hoping someone will enlighten
us!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I don't think it's
UPD as that is still using spooler service. My understanding was new way of
printing completely bypasses traditional way of TS or Citrix printing so that
nothing is "spooled" on Citrix - the app doing the printing along with Windows
OS creates the raw EMF file which gets directly sent down to ICA client were
it then gets spooled for first and only time. Maybe I was dreaming.
</SPAN></FONT><FONT face=Wingdings color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Wingdings">J</SPAN></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"> It was too good to
be true after all..<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: \
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
0.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> <st1:date
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Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="25" Hour="15">3:25 PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B> thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT \
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12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Is "EMF or
driverless" is basically using the UPD? I went straight to installing
drivers. We had little time to test the Citrix farm, and I couldn't
afford lip from users. I tried the UPD on my Dell printers, and a few
Savin's, but none worked for much of anything. I'd imagine it would be fairly
foolproof on the HP LaserJet 4xxx series printers I
use.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Steve Parr<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> \
<st1:date style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x" tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="15" Hour="15">3:15 PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B> thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT \
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; \
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">So did you go to "installing the print drivers on Citrix" right \
away as that is your preference(and has been mine as well) OR did you try to print \
the new MPS4 way without a driver, the "EMF or driverless" way first and because \
did not work too well revert to "installing drivers on
Citrix"?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">What I
am looking for is feedback from anyone who has tried to go driverless on
Citrix with MPS 4 to see how well that works...<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: \
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> <st1:date
style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x" tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="51" Hour="14">2:51 PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B> thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT \
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; \
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Yup, I am installing the actual printer drivers on 1 citrix \
server, then replicating them to the entire farm, so every printer maps to the \
actual driver for that printer. I try to use the same driver across all my \
sites using Citrix, but that's not always the case. My citrix server has the \
newest versions, but some sites will have an older \
one.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT \
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; \
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Anyway, I do this because I personally feel it will give me the \
least amount of problems, and I use a fairly standard set of about a dozen \
different HP LaserJet's and a Dell
1700/1710/5300's.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue
size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><BR>I do
manual printer mappings for random printers people use at home, like
DeskJet's to DeskJet 550C, and some older laserjet's to the
LJ4. I'm just trying to head off at the pass any potential UPD realted
problems, because I had already ran into them when I tried to rely on it for a
few printers.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; \
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Steve Parr<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> \
<st1:date style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x" tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="25" Hour="12">12:25 PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B> thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT \
face=Arial color=navy size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; \
FONT-FAMILY: Arial">When you say using all native drivers I assume you are \
installing the dirvers on Citrix server and letting them map when users log on 1:1 \
vs. any type of UPD. BUT I thought the promise with MPS4 was(with the caveat that \
some apps would still fall back to old way of printing if EMF file handling was not \
possible in the way required) that the EMF print file would be sent directly down \
to the client effectively doing away with the need to install any drivers on
Citrix?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1in"><FONT face=Arial color=navy
size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: navy; FONT-FAMILY: \
Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1.5in"><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">-----Original Message-----<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">From:</SPAN></B> Evan Mann [mailto:emann@pinnaclefinancial.com] <BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> <st1:date
style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x" tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="8" Hour="12">12:08 PM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B> thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [THIN] Re: How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT \
face="Times New Roman" size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: \
1.5in"><FONT face=Arial color=blue size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; COLOR: \
blue; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">My farm is a clean install of 2003 SP1 with MPS4.0, no \
upgrades or anything like that. The farm itself is extremely stable. I \
have 2 zones with 2 servers per zone and a single WI server (I also use CSG). \
My only issues have been all printing related, but some were fixed by hotfixes \
(Print Manager crashing) and others appear to be related to an app I use that \
relies on a kernel mode driver. I use all native drivers, not the UPD, and I \
don't do any imported network printing, so it's pretty striaght forward on the
printing end. I'm most likely going to deploy ScrewDrivers if my testing
proves to solve some application specific printing
issues.</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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size=3><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0in; \
mso-margin-top-alt: 0in"><B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: \
Tahoma">From:</SPAN></FONT></B><FONT face=Tahoma size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: \
10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Tahoma"> thin-bounce@freelists.org \
[mailto:thin-bounce@freelists.org] <B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of \
</SPAN></B>Steve Parr<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> \
<st1:date style="BACKGROUND-POSITION: left bottom; BACKGROUND-IMAGE: \
url(res://ietag.dll/#34/#1001); BACKGROUND-REPEAT: repeat-x" tabIndex=0 w:st="on" \
Year="2005" Day="30" Month="11">Wednesday, November 30, 2005</st1:date> <st1:time \
w:st="on" Minute="50" Hour="11">11:50 AM</st1:time><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">To:</SPAN></B> thin@freelists.org<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: \
bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [THIN] How ready\stable is MPS \
4?</SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P> <P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT \
face=Arial size=2><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">How far have \
things come? If stability is my number one priority should I stick with XP
FR3?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also the real attraction for our
company would be the apparent ease with which printing in theory is dealt with
by MPS 4 - how much has this proven true in practice for
others?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Also I assume the upgrade path
from XP3 to MPS4 is not smooth and possibly not even an option from what I
recall reading on the topic last spring? Probably need to be on PS 3 to
upgrade to 4?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Steve
Parr<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-LEFT: 1.5in"><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Metroland Printing, Publishing and
Distributing Ltd.<BR><BR></SPAN></FONT><o:p></o:p></P>
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size=3><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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