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Subject: Re: [theora] Theora/Thusnelda features questions.
From: ertuqueque <ertuqueque () gmail ! com>
Date: 2009-05-21 20:44:34
Message-ID: eb18ba3f0905211344k339f8622w42df6c89f78062bd () mail ! gmail ! com
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Hello... thanks a lot for your feedback!
That's what I love about real open source, the friendly, honest and direct
feedback you get from devs!
Monty: > "For general codec discussions, there are already other good places
to go to, eg, HydrogenAudio for audio and doom9 for video."
.- Yes, I now frequently visit Doom9's forum, that's where I found about
Theora and is an awesome source of information and feedback... though
sometimes really biased towards h.264, but in my tests Theora (Thusnelda)
stands incredibly well, so don't worry, I don't get influenced by biased
comments.
Gregory: > "You can achieve the same (or better) effect as a two pass encode
by encoding with the quality knob and iteratively adjusting it until you get
the desired total size."
.- Hey, thanks a lot! I didn't know that!... I'll do some testing with the
quality settings and see how it works but is great to know your opinions
about 2-pass stuff... It would certainly be a nice implementation to get
better results without too much hassle for the user.
Monty: > "...right now, xvid is still a better codec (not surprising,
Thusnelda is not finished. There's still a major piece of infrastructure
missing in the encoder)."
.- Good to know!... So far I'm very pleased with Thusnelda, and with the
lastest Project Update [290507] I'm impatient to see another Alpha out :)
Monty: > "We will keep up for a period. On paper, MPEG part 2 and part 10
are considerably more advanced codecs. However, a codec's quality
performance is only as good as the encoder, and we've got alot of room for
improvement yet (as does MPEG of course). Eventually, MPEG4 will surpass
Theora for good..."
.- And that's what I call UNbiased feedback :)
Gregory: > "Buzzwords are marketing. We could use some better marketing for
Theora".
Wise words!... Again, that's what I love about real open source!
Monty: If not in Theora than in a successor. The only disagreement within
the org is which of those two paths to take. I'd like to modestly extend
Theora, and Time would like to start fresh.
.- Thanks for the clear answer!... I think is matter of seeing how things
evolve :)
Gregory: > "Theora does half-pel. I'd confused the two. Scratch that one.
;)"
Scratched ;)... though now you mention it, is it possible to have
quarter-pixel in Thusnelda? (just out of curiosity).
And again, thanks a lot for the feedback!
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Hello... thanks a lot for your feedback!<br><br>That's what I love abou=
t real open source, the friendly, honest and direct feedback you get from d=
evs!<br><br>Monty: > "For general codec discussions, there are alre=
ady other good places to go to, eg, HydrogenAudio for audio and doom9 for v=
ideo."<br>
<br>.- Yes, I now frequently visit Doom9's forum, that's where I fo=
und about Theora and is an awesome source of information and feedback... th=
ough sometimes really biased towards h.264, but in my tests Theora (Thusnel=
da) stands incredibly well, so don't worry, I don't get influenced =
by biased comments.<br>
<br>Gregory: > "You can achieve the same (or better) effect as a tw=
o pass encode by encoding with the quality knob and iteratively adjusting i=
t until you get the desired total size."<br><br>.- Hey, thanks a lot! =
I didn't know that!... I'll do some testing with the quality settin=
gs and see how it works but is great to know your opinions about 2-pass stu=
ff... It would certainly be a nice implementation to get better results wit=
hout too much hassle for the user.<br>
<br>Monty: > "...right now, xvid is still a better codec (not surpr=
ising, Thusnelda is not finished.=A0 There's still a major piece of inf=
rastructure missing in the encoder)."<br><br>.- Good to know!... So fa=
r I'm very pleased with Thusnelda, and with the lastest Project Update =
[290507] I'm impatient to see another Alpha out :)<br>
<br>Monty: > "We will keep up for a period.=A0 On paper, MPEG part =
2 and part 10 are considerably more advanced codecs.=A0 However, a codec=
9;s quality performance is only as good as the encoder, and we've got a=
lot of room for improvement yet (as does MPEG of course).=A0 Eventually, MP=
EG4 will surpass Theora for good..."<br>
<br>.- And that's what I call UNbiased feedback :)<br><br>Gregory: >=
"Buzzwords are marketing. We could use some better marketing for Theo=
ra".<br><br>Wise words!... Again, that's what I love about real op=
en source!<br>
<br>Monty: If not in Theora than in a successor.=A0 The only disagreement w=
ithin the org is which of those two paths to take.=A0 I'd like to modes=
tly extend Theora, and Time would like to start fresh.<br><br>.- Thanks for=
the clear answer!... I think is matter of seeing how things evolve :)<br>
<br>Gregory: > "Theora does half-pel. I'd confused the two. Scr=
atch that one. ;)"<br><br>Scratched ;)... though now you mention it, i=
s it possible to have quarter-pixel in Thusnelda? (just out of curiosity).<=
br>
<br>And again, thanks a lot for the feedback!<br>
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