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Subject: Tapestry Mailing List vs Forum
From: "Newham, Cameron" <cameron.newham () bl ! uk>
Date: 2010-11-25 9:50:29
Message-ID: 021D523700A5D840B96F5746E595D3A301C4F49D () w2k3-bspex1
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An interesting discussion.
However, while I do see that a forum would, perhaps, be initially more user friendly \
for new people to join, in the end the creation of such a thing would either divide \
the community into those on the ML and those on the forum, or at worst the forum \
would end up with new users joining and no answers because all of the old hands are \
on this ML. It wouldn't look good either way.
Personally I prefer the ML for Tapestry - mainly because the signal to noise ratio is \
high, there aren't huge numbers of posts, and the things drop into my mailbox where I \
can easily see them. People on here are (for the most part) friendly and very \
helpful. I'd rather that wasn't damaged by changing things just for the sake of \
change.
I'd rather that the effort going into this discussion was instead directed to \
providing better documentation. It's one thing I find most frustrating in the \
computer industry. I'm afraid I'm not as geeky as some who reside on here and \
elsewhere; I like instructions to have all the parts filled in, rather than \
instructions where large parts are missing and only the "juicy details" given because \
the author assumes you understand and can fill in background yourself. Some of the \
HOW-TOs are unfortunately like that. I have a job to do and I don't spend my weekends \
building my own server or bed time reading of IPv6 (anything but computers! You know \
what I mean) so better documentation (along the lines of the new Tutorial and docs) \
is better for me, better for my employer, and better for those coming to Tapestry for \
the first time.
Paul, if the user base increased to such an extent that there were scores of emails \
per day then I think we should look again at a forum. Until then I think it's not \
worth exploring.
c.
-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Stanton [mailto:paul@mapshed.com.au]
Sent: 25 November 2010 09:20
To: Tapestry users
Subject: Re: Tapestry Web Site Updated
"I don't see why those questions can't be asked and answered on the
mailing lists. "
you are missing the point. they probably haven't been asked on the ml
because the user doesn't want to register/subscribe/manage the ml. some
people have a general aversion to ml's.
p.
On 25/11/2010 7:07 PM, Ulrich Stärk wrote:
> I don't see why those questions can't be asked and answered on the
> mailing lists.
>
> If you want to ask or answer questions on stackoverflow, do it. If you
> want to create a forum that's fine too. But the only *official* help
> source will be the mailing lists. Everything else will just partition
> the community.
>
> Uli
>
> On 25.11.2010 02:12, Paul Stanton wrote:
> > Andreas,
> >
> > Agreed 100%.
> >
> > http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/tapestry
> > or as a feed:
> > http://stackoverflow.com/feeds/tag/tapestry
> >
> > Maybe the tapestry site can leverage stackoverflow as it's
> > recommended question/answer forum?
> >
> > To work however, this would require some of the people here to take
> > interest.....
> >
> > p.
> >
> > On 25/11/2010 11:41 AM, Andreas Andreou wrote:
> > > You're probably right on the reasons, but the thing is that it's a
> > > pain having
> > > to monitor multiple sources of user feedback - there's just never
> > > enought free
> > > time to do so.
> > >
> > > And there's also a few big risks:
> > > 1) Making the community appear to be unresponsive
> > > 2) Frustrating users who never get their questions answered
> > > 3) Spreading the info to multiple places is hard to update
> > > and easy to get obsolete
> > >
> > > So, anyway, Tapestry has the mailing list, its website/documentation
> > > and there's
> > > always StackOverflow. Perhaps it makes sense to define a strategy on
> > > how to take
> > > advantage of that last one though
> > >
> > > On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 01:36, Paul Stanton<paul@mapshed.com.au> wrote:
> > > > it did. it's still there but doesn't have the community.
> > > >
> > > > the reason it dies was twofold:
> > > >
> > > > 1. it was very spam prone: the way it was set up did not do enough to
> > > > limit/kill spammers
> > > > 2. it did not get the tapestry community support - it was not even
> > > > acknowledged by the tapestry site
> > > >
> > > > that's not to say a forum wouldn't work if setup and supported by
> > > > the core
> > > > tapestry community.
> > > >
> > > > p.
> > > >
> > > > On 25/11/2010 8:18 AM, Robert Zeigler wrote:
> > > > > Tapestry had a forum for awhile. I think it died.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert
> > > > >
> > > > > On Nov 24, 2010, at 11/244:46 AM , Paul Stanton wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > i know most of you guys, who have been using ml for so long probably
> > > > > > prefer ml, that's not the point!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i guarantee there's a number of users who don't want to configure
> > > > > > their
> > > > > > inbox for ml and give up.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > just a thought, if no one can see the benefit i guess it isn't
> > > > > > going to
> > > > > > happen!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > i use stackoverflow a lot and attempt to answer or contribute to
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > tapestry questions.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > p.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 24/11/2010 8:35 PM, Ivano Luberti wrote:
> > > > > > > I prefer ml to forums and in nay case ML web archives allow to
> > > > > > > search
> > > > > > > them.
> > > > > > > I cannot see any other advantage of a forum over a ml.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Il 24/11/2010 4.56, Paul Stanton ha scritto:
> > > > > > > > how about adding a forum?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > personally i prefer forums to mailing lists, and i believe a
> > > > > > > > lot of
> > > > > > > > people don't participate in this 'user-group' community and
> > > > > > > > therefore
> > > > > > > > don't get help and therefore don't like tapestry...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > if you want to attract more users i recommend this.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > p.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 20/11/2010 8:15 AM, Howard Lewis Ship wrote:
> > > > > > > > > We're still working out the kinks ... and I've been working
> > > > > > > > > hard on
> > > > > > > > > revising
> > > > > > > > > the tutorial ... but at long last, we're debuting the new
> > > > > > > > > Tapestry
> > > > > > > > > Web Site:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > http://tapestry.apache.org/
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Feedback is encouraged; just post to users@tapestry.apache.org
> > > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > [SITE]
> > > > > > > > > in the subject.
> > > > > > > > >
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