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Subject:    Re: [SLE] ...and speaking of SuSE / Novell...
From:       jfweber () bellsouth ! net
Date:       2005-11-17 6:30:31
Message-ID: 200511170130.31456.jfweber () bellsouth ! net
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On Thursday 17 November 2005 12:25 am, Andre Truter wrote:
> On 11/17/05, Peter Van Lone <petervl@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Also, there are many cases inwhich a GUI can consolidate
> > > information and/or controls in ways that simply cannot be done
> > > effectively with traditional TTY interfaces.
> >
> > ding ding ding! We finally have a winner!
> >
> > Hello, "world of supposed linux boosters"! --- if you want linux to
> > dominate the market, that means it MUST be accessible. To those who
> > just need to get their work done, but have not the spare time to
> > devote 600 hours to learning the ins and outs of the various CLI
> > commands and config files. Please.
>
> Ummm.. I did not need 600 hours to learn any inns and outs.  I
> started off with Windows NT and then I had to work on a UNIX project.
> The people gave me a list of the basic commands, like ls, telnet, etc
> and quickly showned me how to use them.
ditto it aint that hard to learn most of the stuff. watch and listen.. 
And if you want to use a gui to do everything, go ahead.. Linux *IS* 
about choices, your choices... you can do pretty much whatever you want 
in all flavours of it. Pick one and start playing. MY husband went to 
linux after watching a box that had ( don't laugh you guys! I'm warning 
you ;-D ) Corel's linux on it .. I got it because I figured he might 
want to try it and it had a copy of Word Perfect on it as well ) it sat 
over in a corner and never ever was rebooted... That impressed the hell 
out of him...

fast forward to:

 Along came Sircan and windows wasn't ever put back on his box... he had 
been dual booting, but disobeyed on of my iron clad you must never ever 
do this rules. He went to the net and downloaded his email.. and boom 
it blew up his computer.. which also didn't have a backup of his last 
two weeks work on it ! Most of the group on this list have similar 
stories.. 

> Within a few monts I was soing most of my work on an HP Envizex
> terminal and 4 HP servers.
> Within a year I had moved over to Linux as my default OS at home.
>
> I also did not have time to learn all kinds of cli commands and
> scripting, but I did learn it between all the other work, because I
> realised that it made my work easier.

AND even if you don't stop and study, believe me sooner or later if you 
are any sort of admin you WILL learn most of the stuff.. someone will 
tell you a trick or send you a script they wrote, and the next thing 
you know.. you will know, ya know? ;-)


>
> > But if you want to grow linux? ... grow up!
We are growing Linux.. we, most of it will install some version on the 
computer of nearly everyone of our nearest and dearest, if only to stay 
sane and not have to spend every spare minute rescuing their latest 
windows setup from whatever l337 thing someone sent them cuz "it's 
sooo , like, kooli man"
> PS: I have grown up and in the process I leant how to use a network
> and running graphical tools from a remote system on my own desktop.
> Makes life sooo much easier.
And we aren't even going to go to when you saw your first computer, or 
when you got your hands on one.. or when some professorial type allowed 
you to touch one...

True they are now much closer to toys than anyone will admit. Still it 
doesn't hurt to learn things that make it tick.  And there hasn't been 
any problems for anyone that has had linux put on their computers.  

Barring a few of the How do I get foo.com to let me in when it says it 
only allows IE. Try it, get one of the baby step versions, and put it 
on a windows users box.. ( It even installs and asks you if you want to 
save the Windows partition, should they shrink or erase it? When was 
the last time MS did that for any non MS system? "Alex , the answer is 
What is the 12th of Never?? ) 

Just show them the "new" browsers and the email program and you will 
probably not hear of any more problems of the "Will you come over RIGHT 
NOW and fix my computer please?"  variety.

-- 
j
Morning, Evolution in action. only the grumpy will survive
Don't try to change my attitude or rearrange my latitude;
Don't tell me what I think, I got to get me some boat drinks

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