this is just plain weird. did a clean install of 7.2. included tcl/tk/tix, and the rpm database says i have 'em. only problem -- they aren't here, or at least their headers aren't, nor are there development packages. is the rpm database saying that stuff that wasn't installed was, or are the suse packages specifically designed to prevent people from compiling their own apps (in this case, xcdroast 0.96ex, which i prefer over the new gtk+ alphas)? *really* strange. -- dep there's more to history than what's in books; that's why it took so long to happen.