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Subject:    [SSI-devel] Re: [SSI-users] hangs on write()
From:       Roger Tsang <roger.tsang () gmail ! com>
Date:       2005-10-02 3:41:40
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Hi,

The sync_inodes() backport is missing a CFS test. I've also added some
locking for cfs_setattr()/getattr(). You might want to wait until I post my
new patch.

Roger


On 9/27/05, Roger Tsang <roger.tsang@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I found a bug in my patch. You'd have to add spin_unlock() in
> cfs_commit_inode() in cluster/ssi/cfs/write.c at approx. line 1325:
>
> spin_lock(&cfs_wreq_lock);
> // res = cfs_scan_commit(inode, &head, idx_start, npages);
> res = cfs_scan_commit(inode, &head, 0, 0);
> spin_unlock(&cfs_wreq_lock);
> if (res) {
>
> Roger
>
>
> On 9/22/05, Roger Tsang <roger.tsang@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > The patch is kinda messy as it's a straight diff of my latest work, but
> > it will do. Patch it against the kernel. I can't check-in any of these until
> > CVS is fixed...
> >
> > Roger
> >
> >
> > On 9/22/05, Roger Tsang <roger.tsang@gmail.com > wrote:
> > >
> > > I dunno about sync on same machine, I don't remember now. It's not a
> > > crash, so it's hard to tell. I'll do a few more tests later after work
> > > hours. I'll put out a CFS patch for you to try.
> > >
> > > Roger
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/22/05, Andy Phillips <Andrew.Phillips@betfair.com > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > If you type "sync" on the same machine in another window, does it
> > > > recover?
> > > >
> > > > Any ideas as to the underlying cause?
> > > >
> > > > Andy
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, 2005-09-17 at 14:38 -0400, Roger Tsang wrote:
> > > > > Alright I can reproduce this by doing the large file copy. It gets
> > > >
> > > > > stuck here...
> > > > >
> > > > > Stack traceback for pid 136777
> > > > > 0xc57f3a80 136777 136733 0 0 D 0xc57f3c40 mc
> > > > > EBP EIP Function (args)
> > > > > 0xd8e01cc0 0xc03b4103 schedule+0x2b3
> > > > > 0xd8e01cc8 0xc03b462e io_schedule+0xe (0xc15001b0)
> > > > > 0xd8e01cd4 0xc0136745 sync_page+0x35 (0xc1251ea8, 0x0, 0xc0136710,
> > > >
> > > > > 0xc57f3a80, 0xd8e01d24)
> > > > > 0xd8e01cf4 0xc03b49a9 __wait_on_bit_lock+0x49 (0x2, 0xc1251ea8,
> > > > > 0xc1251ea8, 0x0, 0x0)
> > > > > 0xd8e01d50 0xc0136f5a __lock_page+0x8a (0xd666c8a0, 0x1d838,
> > > > > 0xda0e96a0, 0x1d838, 0x2)
> > > > > 0xd8e01de8 0xc013764b do_generic_mapping_read+0x3db (0xd666c8a0,
> > > > > 0xda0e96e8, 0xda0e96a0, 0xd8e01f14, 0xd8e01e1c)
> > > > > 0xd8e01e38 0xc0137b24 __generic_file_aio_read+0x194 (0xd8e01ed8,
> > > > > 0xd8e01e50, 0x1, 0xd8e01f14, 0x8135998)
> > > > > 0xd8e01e64 0xc0137be2 generic_file_aio_read+0x52 (0xd8e01ed8,
> > > > > 0x8135998, 0x2000, 0x1d838000, 0x0)
> > > > > 0xd8e01ea0 0xc0268f40 __cfs_file_read+0xc0 (0xd8e01ed8, 0x0,
> > > > > 0x8135998, 0x2000, 0xd8e01ed0)
> > > > > 0xd8e01ebc 0xc0268ffe cfs_file_aio_read+0x2e (0xd8e01ed8,
> > > > 0x8135998,
> > > > > 0x2000, 0x1d838000, 0x0)
> > > > > 0xd8e01f64 0xc015561b do_sync_read+0xab (0xda0e96a0, 0x8135998,
> > > > > 0x2000, 0xd8e01fa8, 0x0)
> > > > > 0xd8e01f90 0xc0155758 vfs_read+0xe8 (0xda0e96a0, 0x8135998,
> > > > 0x2000,
> > > > > 0xd8e01fa8, 0x1d838000)
> > > > > 0xd8e01fbc 0xc0155a1b sys_read+0x4b
> > > > > 0xc0103c55 sysenter_past_esp+0x52
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/17/05, Roger Tsang < roger.tsang@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > Okay I ran into this hang just a moment ago while copying a
> > > > > very large file from node 2 to the init node. It hangs at the
> > > > > very end of the file. Then if I do "sync" as you have
> > > > > suggested, the copy completes. I guess next time I see this
> > > > > I'll do a backtrace on the copy process. My guess is it's
> > > > > probably waiting in CFS wait_for_congestion().
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you tried a different IO scheduler? Try deadline if you
> > > > > were using cfq.
> > > > >
> > > > > Roger
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 8/25/05, John Byrne < john.l.byrne@hp.com> wrote:
> > > > > Andy Phillips wrote:
> > > > > > Following on;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It appears that if I remount the file system with
> > > > > the
> > > > > > "sync" option then this problem goes away. But
> > > > > performance
> > > > > > is bad. Shutting down the other node in the cluster
> > > > > does
> > > > > > not seem to affect this at all.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Would SSI or the CFS cause issues with async i/o?
> > > > > Would
> > > > > > that follow a different path to a normal kernel?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > There can certainly be bugs and I do note that your
> > > > > hanging is rather
> > > > > large. Maybe that is the cause of the problem. Maybe
> > > > > you could make a
> > > > > simple test case with 256k writes and see if that
> > > > > hangs.
> > > > >
> > > > > John
> > > > >
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Hi,<br>
<br>
The sync_inodes() backport is missing a CFS test.&nbsp; I've also added
some locking for cfs_setattr()/getattr().&nbsp; You might want to wait
until I post my new patch.<br>
<br>
Roger<br>
<div><span class="gmail_quote"><br>
<br>
On 9/27/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Roger Tsang</b> &lt;<a \
href="mailto:roger.tsang@gmail.com">roger.tsang@gmail.com</a>&gt; \
wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I found a bug in my \
patch.&nbsp; You'd have to add spin_unlock() in cfs_commit_inode() in \
cluster/ssi/cfs/write.c at approx. line 1325:<br> <br>
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; spin_lock(&amp;cfs_wreq_lock);<br>
//&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; res = cfs_scan_commit(inode, &amp;head, idx_start, \
npages);<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; res = cfs_scan_commit(inode, \
&amp;head, 0, 0);<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
spin_unlock(&amp;cfs_wreq_lock);<br> &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; if \
(res) {<div><span class="e" id="q_10698b3996336fc6_1"><br><br> Roger<br>
<br>
<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/22/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Roger \
Tsang</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:roger.tsang@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">roger.tsang@gmail.com </a>&gt; \
wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> The patch is kinda messy \
as it's a straight diff of my latest work, but it will do.&nbsp; Patch it against the \
kernel.&nbsp; I can't check-in any of these until CVS is fixed...<br><span>
<br>
Roger</span><div><span><br>
<br>
<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/22/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Roger \
Tsang</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:roger.tsang@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">roger.tsang@gmail.com </a>&gt; \
wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, \
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> I dunno about sync on same \
machine, I don't remember now.&nbsp; It's not a crash, so it's hard to tell.&nbsp; \
I'll do a few more tests later after work hours.&nbsp; I'll put out a CFS patch for \
you to try.<br><span> <br>
Roger</span><div><span><br>
<br>
<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/22/05, <b class="gmail_sendername">Andy \
Phillips</b> &lt;<a href="mailto:Andrew.Phillips@betfair.com" target="_blank" \
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">Andrew.Phillips@betfair.com \
</a>&gt; wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid \
rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Hi,<br><br>If you \
type &quot;sync&quot; on the same machine in another window, does \
it<br>recover?<br><br>Any ideas as to the underlying cause?<br><br>Andy<br><br>On \
Sat, 2005-09-17 at 14:38 -0400, Roger Tsang wrote:<br>


&gt; Alright I can reproduce this by doing the large file copy.&nbsp;&nbsp;It gets
<br>&gt; stuck here...<br>&gt;<br>&gt; Stack traceback for pid 136777<br>&gt;
0xc57f3a80&nbsp;&nbsp; 136777&nbsp;&nbsp;
136733&nbsp;&nbsp;0&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0&nbsp;&nbsp;
D&nbsp;&nbsp;0xc57f3c40&nbsp;&nbsp;mc<br>&gt; \
EBP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;EIP&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Function \
(args)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01cc0 0xc03b4103 schedule+0x2b3<br>&gt; 0xd8e01cc8 0xc03b462e \
io_schedule+0xe (0xc15001b0)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01cd4 0xc0136745 sync_page+0x35 \
(0xc1251ea8, 0x0, 0xc0136710, <br>&gt; 0xc57f3a80, 0xd8e01d24)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01cf4 \
0xc03b49a9 __wait_on_bit_lock+0x49 (0x2, 0xc1251ea8,<br>&gt; 0xc1251ea8, 0x0, \
0x0)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01d50 0xc0136f5a __lock_page+0x8a (0xd666c8a0, 0x1d838,<br>&gt; \
0xda0e96a0, 0x1d838, 0x2) <br>&gt; 0xd8e01de8 0xc013764b \
do_generic_mapping_read+0x3db (0xd666c8a0,<br>&gt; 0xda0e96e8, 0xda0e96a0, \
0xd8e01f14, 0xd8e01e1c)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01e38 0xc0137b24 __generic_file_aio_read+0x194 \
(0xd8e01ed8,<br>&gt; 0xd8e01e50, 0x1, 0xd8e01f14, 0x8135998) <br>&gt; 0xd8e01e64 \
0xc0137be2 generic_file_aio_read+0x52 (0xd8e01ed8,<br>&gt; 0x8135998, 0x2000, \
0x1d838000, 0x0)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01ea0 0xc0268f40 __cfs_file_read+0xc0 (0xd8e01ed8, \
0x0,<br>&gt; 0x8135998, 0x2000, 0xd8e01ed0) <br>&gt; 0xd8e01ebc 0xc0268ffe \
cfs_file_aio_read+0x2e (0xd8e01ed8, 0x8135998,<br>&gt; 0x2000, 0x1d838000, \
0x0)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01f64 0xc015561b do_sync_read+0xab (0xda0e96a0, 0x8135998,<br>&gt; \
0x2000, 0xd8e01fa8, 0x0)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01f90 0xc0155758 vfs_read+0xe8 (0xda0e96a0, \
0x8135998, 0x2000, <br>&gt; 0xd8e01fa8, 0x1d838000)<br>&gt; 0xd8e01fbc 0xc0155a1b \
sys_read+0x4b<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;0xc0103c55 \
sysenter_past_esp+0x52<br>&gt;<br>&gt; On 9/17/05, Roger Tsang &lt;<a \
href="mailto:roger.tsang@gmail.com" target="_blank" onclick="return \
top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">


roger.tsang@gmail.com
</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Okay I ran \
into this hang just a moment ago while copying \
a<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; very large file from node 2 \
to the init node.&nbsp;&nbsp;It hangs at \
the<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; very end of the \
file.&nbsp;&nbsp;Then if I do &quot;sync&quot; as you have \
<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; suggested, the copy \
completes.&nbsp;&nbsp;I guess next time I see \
this<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; I'll do a backtrace on \
the copy process.&nbsp;&nbsp;My guess is \
it's<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; probably waiting in CFS \
wait_for_congestion().<br>&gt; \
<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Have you tried a different \
IO scheduler?&nbsp;&nbsp;Try deadline if \
you<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; were using \
cfq.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
Roger<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
On 8/25/05, John Byrne &lt;<a href="mailto:john.l.byrne@hp.com" target="_blank" \
onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">



john.l.byrne@hp.com</a>&gt; \
wrote:<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
Andy Phillips wrote:<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
&gt; Following on;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; It appears that if I remount the file system \
with<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
the<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 &gt; &quot;sync&quot; option then this problem goes away. \
But<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
performance<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 &gt; is bad. Shutting down the other node in the \
cluster<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
does<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 &gt; not seem to affect this at \
all.<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 &gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Would SSI or the CFS cause issues with async \
i/o?<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
Would<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 &gt; that follow a different path to a normal \
kernel?<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp; Andy<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 There can certainly be bugs and I do note that \
your<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
hanging is rather<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 large. Maybe that is the cause of the problem. \
Maybe<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
you could make a<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
 simple test case with 256k writes and see if \
that<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
hangs.<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; \
John<br>&gt;<br>&gt;<br>&gt;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
                
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Waterfront, Hammersmith Embankment,<br>Chancellors Road, London W6 9HP. Registered in \
England with No. 3770548.<br></blockquote></div><br>




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