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From: toupa () ldko ! com (toupa () ldko ! com)
Date: 2004-03-29 16:02:58
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Hi guys,
I'm new to this list, I just bought a new net4521 board and I wanted your
suggestions on what products to use for the radio that are know to work well
with this board. I intend to use it as an access point.
Thanks,
LD
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> 1. Re: solar power (Jared Solomon)
> 2. Re: solar power (John R. Makosky)
> 3. Re: HELP! and a cool case I made (James Couzens)
> 4. Re: solar power (Dirk-Willem van Gulik)
> 5. Re: solar power (Jim Miller)
> 6. Re: solar power (Chuck Yerkes)
> 7. 4801, OpenBSD 3.4, bios update (Chad M Stewart)
> 8. RE: Serial port(s) on 4511 (Jon Burford)
> 9. Re: 4801, OpenBSD 3.4, bios update (Jim Miller)
> 10. RE: Serial port(s) on 4511 (Jon Burford)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 06:41:00 -0600 (CST)
> From: Jared Solomon <jsolomon@cse.unl.edu>
> Subject: Re: [Soekris] solar power
> To: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
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> PHK,
>
> I would suggest that the extra power could be used to keep the coffee
> hot/the beer cold; a la BOFH archival records.
>
> Along the same lines as these discussions, does anyone have good
> information on where to find second-hand radio enclosures? I live in
> cattle country and would like to set up some repeater sites from grain
> elevator to grain elevator (and most wouldn't care if 10-20 watts extra
> were drawn from their power) for the ranchers. But, I live in tornado
> alley and sustained winds of circa 100 kph (circa 60 mph). Any
> suggestions/sites?
>
> TIA,
>
> Jared
>
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
>
> > Simple question for you: I did investigate windpower for my soekris,
> > but the smallest generators I found were in the several hundred watts
> > range, know of something a bit smaller ?
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:55:06 -0600
> From: "John R. Makosky" <jrm@windlogics.com>
> Subject: Re: [Soekris] solar power
> To: Poul-Henning Kamp <phk@phk.freebsd.dk>
> Cc: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
> Message-ID: <1080586505.274.11.camel@cracker.stp.ssesco.com>
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> On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 01:30, Poul-Henning Kamp wrote:
> >
> > Simple question for you: I did investigate windpower for my soekris,
> > but the smallest generators I found were in the several hundred watts
> > range, know of something a bit smaller ?
>
> The smallest I ran across was this 400W generator:
> http://www.windenergy.com/PRODUCTS/airxland.html ...still probably more
> power than you're looking for.
>
> There are many other useful links at http://www.homepower.com, under
> "Links", of course. I didn't do an exhaustive search for low-power
> generators, however...
>
> john
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:06:56 -0800
> From: James Couzens <jcouzens@obscurity.org>
> Subject: Re: [Soekris] HELP! and a cool case I made
> To: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
> Message-ID: <1080590816.16160.8.camel@antitrust>
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>
> On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 09:46, murphy@imelectronic.com wrote:
>
> > I also made a cool clear case, here is pics:
> > http://homepage.mac.com/im_electronic/PhotoAlbum18.html
>
> Looks pretty sweet =D
>
> Cheers,
>
> James
>
> --
> James Couzens,
> Programmer
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 22:27:52 +0200
> From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik <dirkx@webweaving.org>
> Subject: Re: [Soekris] solar power
> To: Jared Solomon <jsolomon@cse.unl.edu>
> Cc: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
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> On Mar 29, 2004, at 2:41 PM, Jared Solomon wrote:
> > Along the same lines as these discussions, does anyone have good
> > information on where to find second-hand radio enclosures? I live in
>
> Why bother with second hand - standard COTS units which fit a Soekris
> are in the well below < 50 dollar range.
>
> > were drawn from their power) for the ranchers. But, I live in tornado
> > alley and sustained winds of circa 100 kph (circa 60 mph). Any
> > suggestions/sites?
>
> Sturdy IP66-69 sealed metal boxes like this one:
>
> http://webfolder.wleiden.webweaving.org/lebkov/Lebkov/Lebkov-
> Thumbnails/15.jpg
> http://webfolder.wleiden.webweaving.org/lebkov/Lebkov/Lebkov-Images/
> 15.jpg
>
> http://webfolder.wleiden.webweaving.org/lebkov/Lebkov/Lebkov-
> Thumbnails/16.jpg
> http://webfolder.wleiden.webweaving.org/lebkov/Lebkov/Lebkov-Images/
> 16.jpg
>
> as used at
>
> http://wiki.wirelessleiden.nl/wcl/cgi-bin/moin.cgi/NodeLebkov
>
> easily survive well below those sort of wind levels without beeing
> crunched or exploded by
> pressure delta's (your antenna, wiring and mounting will go well
> before) and are about 40 euro's.
>
> Dw
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:56:46 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jim Miller <soekris@jcmco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Soekris] solar power
> To: jsolomon@cse.unl.edu
> Cc: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
> Message-ID: <200403292056.i2TKukB21769@liz.jcmco.com>
>
> > Along the same lines as these discussions, does anyone have good
> > information on where to find second-hand radio enclosures?
>
> Hi,
>
> I don't know about second hand enclosures, but why not put the Soekris
> in the antenna itself? This eliminates costly LMR cable, 6 dB/100ft
> cable loss, etc. I use a 14dBi panel from www.rflinx.com to house
> 4501s, 4511s, and 4801s.
>
> If you are interested I have some pictures at:
>
> http://www.jcmco.com/gallery/RooTenna
>
> Jim
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 16:00:52 -0500
> From: Chuck Yerkes <chuck+soekris@2004.snew.com>
> Subject: Re: [Soekris] solar power
> To: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
> Message-ID: <20040329210052.GB8345@2004.snew.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Quoting William Estrada (William_Estrada@softhome.net):
> ...
> > First my location. I live on top of a ridge at 3300 feet. I get sun
> > most of the day. In the winter, I may get covered by clouds, sometimes
> > for a week at a time.
>
> On the other hand, indications are that there's still good generation
> under cloud cover. Less, but still some.
>
> > I have two sites to power, my house and my radio
> > room. The radio room is totally solar powered. The house. which uses
> > more power, needs a generator to charge the batteries. The house is
> > being upgraded to become more independent.
> ...
> > Voltages:
> > 1. 12VDC - most in radio room.
> > 2. 120VAC - most of house from inverter.
>
> Note that higher voltages mean smaller wires. A 30AMP cable is 10
> gauge (depending on run length), whether it carries 12VDC (360
> watts) or 500VDC (15,000 watts). Lots of installers these days
> chain together panels to run high voltage; lots of inverters will
> take that higher voltage. 10 48VDC panels changed together can
> give you 480VDC. If peak output is 4Amps, you can theoretically
> run that over speaker wire (No. Theory only. Bad plan in reality.
> And 500VDC will make the soekris sparkle, but only for a minute.
> Then it will be a smelly sculpture only).
>
>
> CHARGE CONTROLLER:
> Mike Bryce (WB8VGE) wrote a nice little article on a charge controller
> in October 2001 issue of QST magazine, "The Micro M+ Charge Controller".
> Not too happily, it's a members only part of the site.
>
> It says "You can stuff 4 of them in your shirt pocket",
> taking 4A of current and drawing 1mA when sleeping.
>
> It's basically just an example of PWM charge controllers that
> can be built by most people handy with solder.
>
> Google for "Micro m+ Charge Controller" and you'll find lots about it.
> http://www.seslogic.com/microm+.html has it for $40 finished,
> and board only for $9.
> http://www.theheathkitshop.com/thesunlogicmicro.html
> has it with a pretty case (it seems) for $45.
>
> I've not used it; I don't have one; I don't know anyone involved
> with the sales of it. It was recommened by a friend who built one
> as a simple, small 12Vdc charge controller.
>
> > Recomendations:
> > 1. Using both wind and solar.
> Wind has large repercussions. There's incidentally a Home Power
> article this month by a texan doing wind for his place. He's
> definitely got a false load to handle when he needs to take it
> offline. You also *must* have a wind inverter as wind will put
> out wildly varying amounts of power moment to moment. The light
> you get from the sun changes, but not rapidly compared to a gusty
> day. Those wind power controllers can be costly.
>
>
> Birds:
> Birds appear to be really more of a red herring issue. I'm right
> near the Altamont Wind Farm and there was a big fuss about birds
> killed. Studies show that a few cats kill more birds that the
> towers do. The birds most commonly talked about are big bird of
> prey, yet it's the lesser (very common) birds most often killed.
> Birds will sit on the blades of idle towers, but when it moves, so
> do the birds. And the towers that go up these days are not the
> same as the ones 20 years ago. Hell, coal and nuc plants will kill
> more birds than the wind farms do, in a not so long run. So that
> issue is mainly a non-issue in reality (a concern, but there's no
> wholesale birdie slaughter happening).
>
> > 2. If Soekris power is all you want, then setup a 48VDC system so you
> can
> > use POE, else use 12VDC
>
> Or anything between 12 and 56VDC. Smaller wires for most voltage.
> Same for home (I'd rather run lights at 48VDC where I can than at 120VAC
> if my roof generated 48VDC - no conversion or inversion needed along
> with inherent power loss).
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 17:47:20 -0500
> From: Chad M Stewart <cms@balius.com>
> Subject: [Soekris] 4801, OpenBSD 3.4, bios update
> To: Soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
> Message-ID: <09ABF99E-81D3-11D8-B412-000A959CF11A@balius.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
> I just received my first 4801 today. I'm using flashdist and
> http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2004/03/11/Big_Scary_Daemons.html as
> reference material.
>
> I've got a SanDisk 64MB CF card, in a SanDisk SDDR-31 USB based reader,
> which I recall reading that it was reported to work.
>
> The 4801 reports the following
>
>
> comBIOS ver. 1.23 20031216 Copyright (C) 2000-2003 Soekris
> Engineering.
>
> net4801
>
> 0128 Mbyte Memory CPU Geode 266 Mhz
>
> Pri Mas SanDisk SDCFB-64 LBA 490-8-32 62 Mbyte
>
>
> On the laptop where I'm writing the image to the CF card I see the
> following
>
> type: SCSI
> disk: SCSI disk
> label: ImageMate II
> flags:
> bytes/sector: 512
> sectors/track: 32
> tracks/cylinder: 64
> sectors/cylinder: 2048
> cylinders: 61
> total sectors: 125441
> rpm: 3600
> interleave: 1
> trackskew: 0
> cylinderskew: 0
> headswitch: 0 # microseconds
> track-to-track seek: 0 # microseconds
> drivedata: 0
>
> 16 partitions:
> # size offset fstype [fsize bsize cpg]
> a: 124896 32 4.2BSD 1024 8192 60 # (Cyl. 0*-
> 60)
> b: 1 124928 swap # (Cyl. 61 -
> 61*)
> c: 125441 0 unused 0 0 # (Cyl. 0 -
> 61*)
>
>
>
> To which I translated to
>
> # SanDisk 64MB CF Card
> totalsize=125441 # "total sectors:"
> bytessec=512 # "bytes/sector:"
> sectorstrack=32 # "sectors/track:"
> sectorscylinder=2048 # "sectors/cylinder:"
> trackscylinder=64 # "tracks/cylinder:"
> cylinders=61 # "cylinders:"
> #
>
>
> Yet I still get the wonderful error
>
> 1 Seconds to automatic boot. Press Ctrl-P for entering Monitor.
> Using Drive: 0 Partition: 3
> reading boot.
> Bad magic
>
>
> I tried updating the bios but alas I receive
>
> comBIOS Monitor. Press ? for help.
>
> > download
>
> Start sending file using XMODEM/CRC protocol.
> CCCCCCC
> ### Send (x) b4801_124.bin: 112768 bytes, 1:58 elapsed, 951 cps, 49%
>
> File downloaded succesfully, size 881 Blocks.
>
> > flashupdate
>
> Error, Incorrect signature of downloaded BIOS.
>
> I'm using ZTERM on OS X. I'm not so much worried about the bios update
> at this point, it is the booting that would be nice. It has been a
> long day so maybe I'm doing something stupid, but from I read, I've
> plugged in the right numbers.
>
> Any hints/tips/suggestions appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Chad
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> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:00:36 -0800
> From: "Jon Burford" <jburford@xsilogy.com>
> Subject: RE: [Soekris] Serial port(s) on 4511
> To: "Tad Truex" <tad@oldtools.org>, <soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: soekris-tech-bounces+jburford=xsilogy.com@lists.soekris.com
> [mailto:soekris-tech-bounces+jburford=xsilogy.com@lists.soekris.com]On
> Behalf Of Tad Truex
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:46 AM
> To: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
> Subject: [Soekris] Serial port(s) on 4511
>
>
> Does anyone out there know if the second serial port is available on a
> header on the 4511 like it is on the 4501?
>
> Thanks,
> Tad
>
>
>
> --
> Tad Truex <tad@oldtools.org>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 18:01:52 -0500 (EST)
> From: Jim Miller <soekris@jcmco.com>
> Subject: Re: [Soekris] 4801, OpenBSD 3.4, bios update
> To: cms@balius.com
> Cc: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
> Message-ID: <200403292301.i2TN1qx23314@liz.jcmco.com>
>
> > > flashupdate
> >
> > Error, Incorrect signature of downloaded BIOS.
>
> > I'm using ZTERM on OS X.
>
> Hi Chad,
>
> I ran into the same thing using Zterm on OSX. For some reason it
> would not download the bios properly. I went slumming and found a
> windoze box and hyperterminal downloaded the bios properly on the
> first try.
>
> Re your CF issue: I am not familiar with flashdist or what it purports
> to do but you might try using the 'c' slice of the CF (like /dev/sd0c
> or /dev/rsd0c). In some cases I've also had to do 'disklabel -W sd0'
> to enable writing of the disk label. YMMV of course.
>
> Jim
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 15:03:18 -0800
> From: "Jon Burford" <jburford@xsilogy.com>
> Subject: RE: [Soekris] Serial port(s) on 4511
> To: "Tad Truex" <tad@oldtools.org>, <soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com>
> Message-ID: <C91585F3A471F94CA06825A555C8065911E907@kauai.xsilogy.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Unfortunately the PCMCIA connector on the 4511 covers the pads for the second
> serial port, thus making it inaccessible. I was hoping Soren would allow
> access to the second serial port on the new 4526 or a future spin of the
> 4511, but I am not sure where this work is right now.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: soekris-tech-bounces+jburford=xsilogy.com@lists.soekris.com
> [mailto:soekris-tech-bounces+jburford=xsilogy.com@lists.soekris.com]On
> Behalf Of Tad Truex
> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:46 AM
> To: soekris-tech@lists.soekris.com
> Subject: [Soekris] Serial port(s) on 4511
>
>
> Does anyone out there know if the second serial port is available on a
> header on the 4511 like it is on the 4501?
>
> Thanks,
> Tad
>
>
>
> --
> Tad Truex <tad@oldtools.org>
>
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