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Subject:    [Sidewinder] Anybody know what will be fix on 5.2.0.02 patch ?
From:       Allendes Fernando <fallendes () NorthSupply ! Cl>
Date:       2002-01-25 17:34:02
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Everyone,
	anybody know any 'unofficial' comment about what will be fix on
5.2.0.02 patch ?
	We are waiting something like the fix to the GUI issues reported in
this list by Jeffery's mail on Wed, 5 Sep 2001.


Regards from Chile,
                   Fernando Allendes Fernández
            Ingeniero de Seguridad / Security Engineer
mailto:fallendes@northsupply.cl       http://www.northsupply.cl
         La Concepción 177, Providencia, Santiago, Chile.
      Teléfono: (56) 2 550 58 00  - Fax: (56) 2 555 48 15



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-----Mensaje original-----
De: Jeffery.Gieser@minnesotamutual.com
[mailto:Jeffery.Gieser@minnesotamutual.com]
Enviado el: Miércoles 5 de Septiembre de 2001 11:02 AM
Para: sidewinder@adeptech.com
CC: craig_munson@securecomputing.com;
paul_debernardi@securecomputing.com;
larry_griesgraber@securecomputing.com;
todd_jacobson@securecomputing.com; john_mcnulty@securecomputing.com;
tomo_foote-lennox@securecomputing.com; ricky_kruse@securecomputing.com;
gary_bibeau@securecomputing.com; christina_johnson@securecomputing.com
Asunto: [Sidewinder] Newest Sidewinder GUI


Everyone,

     I would like to warn everyone that this is a bit of a flame pointed at
Secure Computing.  I have heard that the newest Sidewinder GUI did not have
it's serious issues resolved in Sidewinder 5.2 and that there is possibly
not a plan to fix some of the issues in the GUI.  I have had a CAR opened
up and have complained to my sales rep with NO satisfactory results so I am
taking this to the forum in the hopes that Secure will address these
issues.  Please if you feel the way I do call Secure Computing and request
that a CAR be opened.  I will now detail the issues I have with the GUI
changed between Sidewinder V5.1.0.01 and V5.1.1.  The new GUI has
drastically increased my workload and my irritation factor.  Secure cannot
keep making major changes like this without calculating the administrative
costs of their customers.

1.  The members of groups are not in order.  They appear to be in the order
they were added.  This particular bit of functionality combined with GUI
issue 2 results in a BIG administrative hassle.

2.  The IP address, host names ect. no longer have a list of the groups
they belong in.  This means that if I want to look up what groups 10.1.1.1
belongs to I have to look in each individual group in the burb 10.1.1.1 is
in.  Of course. when combined with issue 1 where the members of each group
are not in order I am forced to look at EACH member of EACH group in a burb
to determine which groups 10.1.1.1 is in.

3.  I can now only add an IP address, host name ect. through the group
rather than through the network object, itself.  This means that if I have
to create 10.1.1.1 and add it to 5 groups instead of being able to do
everything on the network object tab, I have to create the network object
and then edit 5 different groups.

A lot of times I get requests to create a new network object and give it
the same access as another network object.  GUI issues 1, 2, and 3 combine
to increase my workload in doing that by a great deal.

4.  The simple search bar added to the network objects menus in V5.0 was
really handy.  If I wanted to look at all IP addresses in the 10.1.1.0
network, I could type in 10.1.1 and not have to view everything else.  I
preface all of my group names with the burb name that the group is in so I
could type dmz and look at all of the dmz groups.

5.  On the network objects tab, the new TINY window that displays the
groups, IP addresses, host name ect. is incredibly irritating.  It isn't
even big enough to view an IP address much less a descriptive group name.
I get to see "GROUP:          dmz_"  without scrolling back and forth.

6.  It is very annoying that everytime I do anything with a network object,
ACL ect. it scrolls all the way back up to the top of the list.

These are all of the issues with the GUI that I remember off the top of my
head.  Please, if you feel the same way I do contact Secure Computing and
complain.  They need to learn to evaluate drastic changes like this before
they incorporate them into new versions of Sidewinder.  I would go back to
Sidewinder V5.1.0.01 but I need some of the fixes in Sidewinder V5.1.

Regards,
Jeffery Gieser
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