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Subject:    Re: Wikileaks, Afghanistan war logs leaked by hackers
From:       murdamcloud () bigpond ! com
Date:       2010-07-30 20:56:36
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You could say that I am a 'veteran' of a war-albeit a civilian veteran. During that \
war, a country mentioned and criticised in the current leaks, carried out atrocities \
and were responsible for carnage that are only now being prosecuted as war crimes. \
No, actually, I'm talking about Pakistan. Do some googling on Operation Searchlight \
and you'll see what I'm talking about. However, in a way I lived through the \
destruction that forces on both sides of the conflict meted out-first as a child \
living in Karachi during Indian AF bombing raids that left the city 'burning for a \
week' as some sources would have it. Then as a (slightly older) child in the new \
Bangladesh surviving with my family in a country devastated by war. My uncle died \
fighting the Pakistani murder squads and was buried in a 'secret' mass grave. This \
highlights what I see as a fundamental problem here with state secrets. If the state \
keeps them during conflict(and perhaps during peacetime of which there is precious \
little unless you live in the G20) then civilians die quietly and invisibly...if you \
leak them then your soldiers may be in danger-even if for the fact that there is more \
'justification' for hate towards you. Are soldiers worth more than civilians or vice \
versa? I could only begin to wonder but never answer a question like that. But I \
often wish we had a tomb of the unknown civilian. It would be just as full as the \
unknown soldier's one. Sent via BlackBerry® from Telstra

-----Original Message-----
From: William Söderberg <william.soderberg@gmail.com>
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Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:31:54 
To: <security-basics@securityfocus.com>
Subject: Re: Wikileaks, Afghanistan war logs leaked by hackers

How do you figure logs, as you call them, pose a threat to your
nation? All documents released to the public was several months old.
15 000 documents was withheld from release because they were deemed
too fresh and so they could cause harm to the soldiers.

And how would one go about in producing better cyber security laws do
you reckon? Absolute surveillance of all internet communication?
Prohibit all encrypted communication? Spyware, required by law, to be
installed on all computer systems? There's no good solution for this
problem. If you want stricter laws, peoples integrity and privacy will
have to suffer. Thus, the ideals of democracy will start to suffer as
well. I know what I'd choose between, if the choice was democracy and
stricter cyber crime laws.

The leak was a good thing. It shows us the true face of the war in
Afghanistan. Everyone should suffer consequences for their actions.
Including the US.

-- wh1sk3yj4ck

2010/7/29 Florian Rommel <frommel@gmail.com>:
> blah blah blah... yes i would rather sit back in the times when all we heard was \
> the propaganda of the war machine and no real information EVER got to the people... \
> ah the good old blissful times... this is a good start for one  heck of a \
> flamewar.. so which flame should we start? american "national security" vs the \
> worlds interest to know or "leaking" real information that is in direct contrast to \
> lies published by the government? 
> answer this: Who watches the watchers? :)
> 
> <sits back and get  some popcorn>
> 
> 
> On Jul 27, 2010, at 4:18 AM, andrew.wallace wrote:
> 
> > Julian Assange alleges it was a computer hacker who accessed databases via the
> > internet who gave him the Afghanistan war logs.
> > 
> > This highlights the need for tighter cyber security laws, not only are
> > researchers such as Tavis Ormandy making irresponsible technical flaw
> > disclosures, anonymous hackers are leaking national security information  to
> > Wikileaks.
> > 
> > We really need to get tougher cyber security laws in place to tackle what's
> > going on...
> > 
> > http://n3td3v.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-afghanistan-war-logs-leaked.html
> > 
> > Andrew Wallace
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
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