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From: wireplay CO <savian.net () GMAIL ! COM>
Date: 2023-07-14 1:12:18
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Harry,
A cloud provider (AWS, Azure, etc) look just like logging into any server. They are \
hard to tell apart actually. It would look like an RDC into a Windows server, for \
example. Any size of application is fine from one person to ChapGPT level.
Thanks,
Alan
Savian, LLC
719-310-4870
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From: SAS(r) Discussion <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> on behalf of Harry Cheng \
<hcheng@OM1.COM>
Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2023 3:06:11 PM
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Re: SAS and AWS
Hi Roger,
Thanks for your email. Yes, cost was a major concern for a small
start-up. Since my company has pretty much everything in AWS, it's
natural for us to consider moving SAS to AWS. We don't need the fancy
Viya stuff. But we do want a multi-user server and preferably with
unix file permissions. I wonder my simple setup would work in AWS.
Best,
-Harry
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 2:14 PM Roger DeAngelis
<rogerjdeangelis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Harry
>
> Might be interesting to compare the cost of my system to AWS
>
> DEll T7610 ($600 on ebay, however I made some inexpensive additions. I unlocked the \
> limit on cpus in windows pro($125), added dual 1tb NVMe drives $150, and two 2tb \
> data ssds. The $600 system came with 32 logical processors, dual xeons, 6 inch cpu \
> cooling fans,a 1000 watt power supply, and 128gb ECC ram. The 128gb ECC ram is a \
> big deal, ECC stands for error correcting code. ECC can correct single bit failures \
> and detect double bit failures. I bought three 32 inch monitors(inexpensive and not \
> very high res but are well suited for programmers and a logitech G502 hero \
> mouse(can program more than two dozen actions requires 1980s classic editor).
>
> This seems to be able to handle everything EXCEPT big data(single table less than \
> 1tb) or big simulation (1000 logical processors at an average 50% utilization for \
> at least a day?)
> AI learning is really just a big simulation
>
> Roger
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 6:22 AM Harry Cheng <hcheng@om1.com> wrote:
> >
> > I was looking into moving our PC SAS up into AWS. I tested a
> > standalone virtual Windows workstation on AWS with SAS(Base/Stat) with
> > very minimum virtual RAM and CPU, and disk. I would log into this
> > windows instance and run SAS just like on my laptop. The performance
> > was very bad. In order to increase the computing power, we would need
> > to ask more dedicated RAM/CPU/storage, which would cost $$$$. We also
> > talk to SAS regarding moving to AWS. They suggested Viya and full
> > blown compute/meta/web servers and the cost is way higher compared to
> > the sum of our indiv. PC sas licenses. So that was the end of it.
> >
> > I would be very interested to know if anyone/any company has a very
> > simple SAS setup in AWS with the following:
> >
> > -Linux or Windows server that would host SAS(one installation) and
> > allow multiple SAS users(~10) to log on and run SAS.
> > -SAS/EG or SAS Studio is okay. it would be great if SAS Display
> > Manager(old SAS interface) can be launched thru a X11 terminal.
> > -Batch SAS at OS command line.
> > -No Viya. Just Base/Stat/Graph/ACCESS.
> >
> > Anyone with a successful story, please share.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > -Harry Cheng
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<div dir="auto">A cloud provider (AWS, Azure, etc) look just like logging into any \
server. They are hard to tell apart actually. It would look like an RDC into a \
Windows server, for example. Any size of application is fine from one person to \
ChapGPT level.</div> <div><br>
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<div dir="auto">Thanks,</div>
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<div dir="auto">Alan</div>
<div dir="auto">Savian, LLC </div>
<div dir="auto">719-310-4870</div>
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<div class="PlainText">Hi Roger,<br>
<br>
Thanks for your email. Yes, cost was a major concern for a small<br>
start-up. Since my company has pretty much everything in AWS, it's<br>
natural for us to consider moving SAS to AWS. We don't need the fancy<br>
Viya stuff. But we do want a multi-user server and preferably with<br>
unix file permissions. I wonder my simple setup would work in AWS.<br>
<br>
Best,<br>
<br>
-Harry<br>
<br>
On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 2:14 PM Roger DeAngelis<br>
<rogerjdeangelis@gmail.com> wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi Harry<br>
><br>
> Might be interesting to compare the cost of my system to AWS<br>
><br>
> DEll T7610 ($600 on ebay, however I made some inexpensive additions. \
I unlocked the limit on cpus in windows pro($125), added dual 1tb NVMe drives $150, \
and two 2tb data ssds.<br> > The $600 system came with 32 logical \
processors, dual xeons, 6 inch cpu cooling fans,a 1000 watt power supply, and 128gb \
ECC ram.<br> > The 128gb ECC ram is a big deal, ECC stands for error \
correcting code. ECC can correct single bit failures and detect double bit \
failures.<br> > I bought three 32 inch monitors(inexpensive and not very \
high res but are well suited for programmers and a logitech G502 hero mouse(can \
program more than two dozen actions requires<br> > 1980s classic \
editor).<br> ><br>
> This seems to be able to handle everything EXCEPT big data(single table \
less than 1tb) or big simulation<br> > (1000 logical processors at an \
average 50% utilization for at least a day?)<br> ><br>
> AI learning is really just a big simulation<br>
><br>
> Roger<br>
><br>
><br>
> On Thu, Jul 13, 2023 at 6:22 AM Harry Cheng <hcheng@om1.com> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> I was looking into moving our PC SAS up into AWS. I tested a<br>
>> standalone virtual Windows workstation on AWS with SAS(Base/Stat) with<br>
>> very minimum virtual RAM and CPU, and disk. I would log into this<br>
>> windows instance and run SAS just like on my laptop. The \
performance<br> >> was very bad. In order to increase the computing \
power, we would need<br> >> to ask more dedicated RAM/CPU/storage, which would \
cost $$$$. We also<br> >> talk to SAS regarding moving to AWS. They \
suggested Viya and full<br> >> blown compute/meta/web servers and the cost is \
way higher compared to<br> >> the sum of our indiv. PC sas licenses. So \
that was the end of it.<br> >><br>
>> I would be very interested to know if anyone/any company has a very<br>
>> simple SAS setup in AWS with the following:<br>
>><br>
>> -Linux or Windows server that would host SAS(one installation) and<br>
>> allow multiple SAS users(~10) to log on and run SAS.<br>
>> -SAS/EG or SAS Studio is okay. it would be great if SAS Display<br>
>> Manager(old SAS interface) can be launched thru a X11 terminal.<br>
>> -Batch SAS at OS command line.<br>
>> -No Viya. Just Base/Stat/Graph/ACCESS.<br>
>><br>
>> Anyone with a successful story, please share.<br>
>><br>
>> Best,<br>
>><br>
>> -Harry Cheng<br>
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