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From: "William W. Viergever" <william () VIERGEVER ! NET>
Date: 2022-10-19 0:27:41
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Diggin' this extended thread….
APL was a trip; took that and Fortran in '72 at my local JC … have no idea what box \
Orange Coast College was running, however, b/c being in Costa Mesa/Newport, the fall \
was lovely b/c all the lovelies/lookers were coming off a summer of beach life, and \
still wearing their summer garb (and, yes UCSB was the same) and thus, ‘twas easy \
to get distracted. <vbseg>
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William W. Viergever
Viergever & Associates
Health Data Analysis / Systems Design & Development
3607 La Habra Way
Sacramento, CA 95864
william@viergever.net<mailto:william@viergever.net>
www.viergever.net<http://www.viergever.net/>
(916) 715-1768
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From: SAS(r) Discussion <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> On Behalf Of Nat Wooding
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:23 AM
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: SAS was Founded by A.J. Barr
In addition to the DEC port, in the late '80s there was the push for a PC version. A \
couple years ago, I heard that the first PC release, V5, was a complete rewrite but I \
don't know the language. They announced V6 with its multivendor architecture at a \
SUGI in New Orleans and it was quite a big deal.
Did APL run on the CDS box? You were talking about code looking weird and APL came to \
mind. I once had a keyboard that happened to have APL on it.
Nat
On Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:44:14 PM EDT, F J Kelley \
<jkelley@uga.edu<mailto:jkelley@uga.edu>> wrote:
There was an old mainframe system from Control Data Systems called the "Cyber". OS \
was NOS (or sometimes NOS/HFDL). If you've ever seen the movie "Die Hard", there was \
a big plug for CDC in that the "computer room" was full of CDC-branded equipment ... \
well, monitors, anyway. It used a 6/12 ASCII. That is, most stuff was in 6-bits, \
but some was in 12. Their Fortran compiler was pretty good, and those who remember \
Fortran (er FORTRAN) from the old days won't see a problem with all caps. They also \
provided a Pascal compiler. But it was considered "inadvisable" to use mixed case in \
programming. Pascal programs in all caps look weird. There was a Cobol compiler \
(which I ignored ... btw, is that where "lords of Kobol" comes from? BSG ref). I \
think there was a PL/I (they probably used "PL1") compiler, but we'd taken that down.
Oddly, I believe CDC was using 16-bit registers by this time and NOS was really \
inefficient re space, but it was fast. Well, that was a long time ago; there were \
versions of SPSS and BMDP for the Cyber, but no SAS (first non-IBM port was to DEC \
VMS ... lot of horror stories about that and seems to have been the cause of the \
great rewrite of SAS to c in the 1980's).
Ah, the old days ...
________________________________
From: SAS(r) Discussion <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>> on \
behalf of William W. Viergever \
<william@VIERGEVER.NET<mailto:william@VIERGEVER.NET>>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 10:04 PM
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> \
<SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>>
Subject: Re: [SAS-L] SAS was Founded by A.J. Barr
[EXTERNAL SENDER - PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY]
To paraphrase the Redmond kid…
Who needs more than 6-bits ??
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William W. Viergever
Viergever & Associates
Health Data Analysis / Systems Design & Development
3607 La Habra Way
Sacramento, CA 95864
william@viergever.net<mailto:william@viergever.net>
www.viergever.net<http://www.viergever.net/>
(916) 715-1768
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From: SAS(r) Discussion <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>> On \
Behalf Of Ron RJF Fehd
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2022 11:42 AM
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>
Subject: Re: SAS was Founded by A.J. Barr
\begin{quote}
The most radical change in computer equipment
that affected statistical computing
came in 1965, with the introduction of the IBM-360 series.
This series required the rewriting of all programs,
especially those that utilized assembly language.
\end{quote}
and why was the IBM-360 series such a 'radical change'?
bytes were now 8 bits
previously: 6 bits
for a retrospective see
Frederick P. Brooks Jr.,
The Mythical Man-Month
https://archive.org/details/MythicalManMonth
https://booktree.ng/the-mythical-man-month-pdf/
and just who.is<http://who.is> F.P. Brooks Jr.?
\begin{quote}
In 1964 he founded the Computer Science Department
at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
and chaired it for 20 years.
\end{quote}
--
Ron Fehd macro maven
and occasional C.S. historian
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<p class="MsoNormal">Diggin' this extended thread….<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">APL was a trip; took that and Fortran in '72 at my local JC … \
have no idea what box Orange Coast College was running, however, b/c being in Costa \
Mesa/Newport, the fall was lovely b/c all the lovelies/lookers were coming off a \
summer of beach life, and still wearing their summer garb (and, yes UCSB was the \
same) and thus, ‘twas easy to get distracted. <vbseg><o:p></o:p></p> <p \
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style="color:#1F497D">--------------------------------------------------------------<br>
William W. Viergever<br>
<b>Viergever & Associates<br>
</b>Health Data Analysis / Systems Design & Development<br>
3607 La Habra Way <br>
Sacramento, CA 95864<br>
<a href="mailto:william@viergever.net">william@viergever.net</a><br>
<a href="http://www.viergever.net/">www.viergever.net</a><br>
(916) 715-1768<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> SAS(r) Discussion <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU> \
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nat Wooding<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, October 18, 2022 2:23 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: SAS was Founded by A.J. Barr<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">In \
addition to the DEC port, in the late '80s there was the push for a PC version. A \
couple years ago, I heard that the first PC release, V5, was a complete rewrite but \
I don't know the language. They announced V6 with its multivendor architecture at a \
SUGI in New Orleans and it was quite a big deal. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black">Did \
APL run on the CDS box? You were talking about code looking weird and APL came to \
mind. I once had a keyboard that happened to have APL on \
it. <o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">On \
Monday, October 17, 2022 at 11:44:14 PM EDT, F J Kelley <<a \
href="mailto:jkelley@uga.edu">jkelley@uga.edu</a>> wrote: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">There \
was an old mainframe system from Control Data Systems called the \
"Cyber". OS was NOS (or sometimes NOS/HFDL). If you've ever \
seen the movie "Die Hard", there was a big plug for CDC in that the \
"computer room" was full of CDC-branded equipment ... well, monitors, \
anyway. It used a 6/12 ASCII. That is, most stuff was in 6-bits, but some \
was in 12. Their Fortran compiler was pretty good, and those who remember \
Fortran (er FORTRAN) from the old days won't see a problem with all caps. They \
also provided a Pascal compiler. But it was considered "inadvisable" \
to use mixed case in programming. Pascal programs in all caps look weird. \
There was a Cobol compiler (which I ignored ... btw, is that where "lords of \
Kobol" comes from? BSG ref). I think there was a PL/I (they probably \
used "PL1") compiler, but we'd taken that down.<o:p></o:p></span></p> \
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Oddly, \
I believe CDC was using 16-bit registers by this time and NOS was really inefficient \
re space, but it was fast. Well, that was a long time ago; there were versions \
of SPSS and BMDP for the Cyber, but no SAS (first non-IBM port was to DEC VMS ... lot \
of horror stories about that and seems to have been the cause of the great rewrite of \
SAS to c in the 1980's).<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif;color:black">Ah, \
the old days ...<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span \
style="color:black"> SAS(r) Discussion <<a \
href="mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a>> on behalf of \
William W. Viergever <<a \
href="mailto:william@VIERGEVER.NET">william@VIERGEVER.NET</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> \
Monday, October 17, 2022 10:04 PM<br> <b>To:</b> <a \
href="mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a> <<a \
href="mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a>><br> \
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [SAS-L] SAS was Founded by A.J. Barr</span><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> \
<o:p></o:p></span></p> <div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#BA0C2F">[EXTERNAL \
SENDER - PROCEED CAUTIOUSLY]</span><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">To \
paraphrase the Redmond kid…<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Who \
needs more than 6-bits ??<o:p></o:p></span></p> <p \
class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--------------------------------------------------------------<br>
William W. Viergever<br>
<b>Viergever & Associates<br>
</b>Health Data Analysis / Systems Design & Development<br>
3607 La Habra Way <br>
Sacramento, CA 95864<br>
<a href="mailto:william@viergever.net" target="_blank">william@viergever.net</a><br>
<a href="http://www.viergever.net/" target="_blank">www.viergever.net</a><br>
(916) 715-1768<br>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in">
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">From:</span></b><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> \
SAS(r) Discussion <<a \
href="mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a>> <b>On Behalf Of \
</b>Ron RJF Fehd<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 17, 2022 11:42 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU">SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: SAS was Founded by A.J. Barr<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">\begin{quote}<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">The \
most radical change in computer equipment <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">that \
affected statistical computing <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">came \
in 1965, with the introduction of the IBM-360 series. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">This \
series required the rewriting of all programs, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">especially \
those that utilized assembly language.<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">\end{quote}
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">and \
why was the IBM-360 series such a 'radical change'?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">bytes \
were now 8 bits<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">previously: \
6 bits<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">for \
a retrospective see <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Frederick \
P. Brooks Jr., <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">The \
Mythical Man-Month<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><a \
href="https://archive.org/details/MythicalManMonth" \
target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/MythicalManMonth</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"><a \
href="https://booktree.ng/the-mythical-man-month-pdf/" \
target="_blank">https://booktree.ng/the-mythical-man-month-pdf/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">and \
just <a href="http://who.is" target="_blank">who.is</a> F.P. Brooks \
Jr.?<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">\begin{quote}
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">In \
1964 he founded the Computer Science Department <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">at \
the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">and \
chaired it for 20 years. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">\end{quote}
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">--
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">Ron \
Fehd macro maven<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
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<div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A">and \
occasional C.S. historian<o:p></o:p></span></p> </div>
<p class="ydp70b35d0eyiv1664473830xmsonormal"><span \
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Helvetica",sans-serif;color:#26282A"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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