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Subject: Re: New law in CA - consultants/contractors
From: Nat Wooding <00000a500572f1ba-dmarc-request () LISTSERV ! UGA ! EDU>
Date: 2019-10-19 11:20:59
Message-ID: 1591109155.5109126.1571484059893 () mail ! yahoo ! com
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And a "Hallelujah"
On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 02:00:54 AM EDT, William W. Viergever \
<william@VIERGEVER.NET> wrote:
Can i get an AMEN ?!?
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 18, 2019, at 10:45 PM, Paul Dorfman <saslhole@gmail.com> wrote:
Alan,
As far as I'm concerned, you're preaching to a choir.
BestPaul
On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at 1:09 AM Alan Churchill <savian.net@gmail.com> wrote:
Lots of downtime Nate, followed by hills of money albeit short-lived.
Consulting, from my eyes, is hills and long valleys. That suits some folks. Most of \
my contracts were short, 2-6 months. Company has a problem, fix it, leave. Some \
consultants stay for decades but my experience was not that. Come in, fix a \
performance issue, build an app, integrate SAS with Microsoft product X, etc. Make \
good money, spend next 3-6 months looking for next ounce of juice.
20% is too low. I think it is closer to 50% but that is my world. Others don't see \
the same thing but I get lots of experience in the constant change.
Force me to be an employee to fix a performance issue that is short-lived? Not a \
chance.
Thanks,
Alan Churchill
Savian
From: SAS(r) Discussion <SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU>On Behalf Of Nat Wooding
Sent: Friday, October 18, 2019 7:47 PM
To: SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU
Subject: Re: New law in CA - consultants/contractors
Quite a while back, maybe 15 years, the late Andrew Karp wrote a piece on the L \
discussing some of the aspects of consulting/contracting. In his case, a lot of work \
involved training but some contracts were long term. As I recall, he commented that \
he spent even more time than you mention looking for work and writing contracts.
Nat Wooding
On Friday, October 18, 2019, 04:05:14 PM EDT, Sharon Hurley <sisterlink@GMAIL.COM> \
wrote:
Hi,
Speaking of length of service during contracting -
I have contracted for the last five years in different places and am now permanent. \
After looking at my income, I realized I spent 20% looking for a job or on a vacation \
between jobs. It didn't turn out to be worth it.
Sharon
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On Saturday, October 19, 2019, 02:00:54 AM EDT, William W. \
Viergever <william@VIERGEVER.NET> wrote: </div>
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Can i get an AMEN ?!?<br clear="none">
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<div dir="ltr" id="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876AppleMailSignature">Sent from my \
iPad</div> <div class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876yqt3308435860" \
id="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876yqt96423"><div dir="ltr"><br clear="none"> On Oct 18, \
2019, at 10:45 PM, Paul Dorfman <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:saslhole@gmail.com" \
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<div dir="ltr">Alan,
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<div>As far as I'm concerned, you're preaching to a choir.</div>
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<div>Best</div>
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<div class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876gmail_attr" dir="ltr">On Sat, Oct 19, 2019 at \
1:09 AM Alan Churchill <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:savian.net@gmail.com" \
rel="nofollow" target="_blank">savian.net@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"> \
</div> <blockquote class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px \
0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex;"> <div \
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:Consolas;">Lots of downtime Nate, followed by hills of money \
albeit short-lived.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p \
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style="font-family:Consolas;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p \
class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:Consolas;">Consulting, from my eyes, is hills and long valleys. \
That suits some folks. Most of my contracts were short, 2-6 months. Company has a \
problem, fix it, leave. Some consultants stay for decades but my experience was not \
that. Come in, fix a performance issue, build an app, integrate SAS with Microsoft \
product X, etc. Make good money, spend next 3-6 months looking for next ounce of \
juice.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:Consolas;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p \
class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;">20% is \
too low. I think it is closer to 50% but that is my world. Others don't see the same \
thing but I get lots of experience in the constant change.<u></u><u></u></span></p> \
<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:Consolas;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <p \
class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;">Force \
me to be an employee to fix a performance issue that is short-lived? Not a \
chance.<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:Consolas;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <div>
<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:Consolas;">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p \
class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:Consolas;">Alan \
Churchill<u></u><u></u></span></p> <p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:Consolas;">Savian<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div>
<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-family:Consolas;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> <div>
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solid rgb(225,225,225);padding:3pt 0in 0in;"> <p \
class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> SAS(r) Discussion <<a \
shape="rect" href="mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU" rel="nofollow" \
target="_blank">SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a>> <b>On Behalf Of </b>Nat Wooding<br \
clear="none"> <b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 18, 2019 7:47 PM<br clear="none">
<b>To:</b> <a shape="rect" href="mailto:SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU" rel="nofollow" \
target="_blank">SAS-L@LISTSERV.UGA.EDU</a><br clear="none"> <b>Subject:</b> Re: New \
law in CA - consultants/contractors<u></u><u></u></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Quite a while back, maybe \
15 years, the late Andrew Karp wrote a piece on the L discussing some of the aspects \
of consulting/contracting. In his case, a lot of work involved training but some \
contracts were long term. As I recall, he commented that he spent even more time than \
you mention looking for work and writing contracts.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;">Nat \
Wooding<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div>
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style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);">On \
Friday, October 18, 2019, 04:05:14 PM EDT, Sharon Hurley <<a shape="rect" \
href="mailto:sisterlink@GMAIL.COM" rel="nofollow" \
target="_blank">sisterlink@GMAIL.COM</a>> wrote: <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);">Hi,<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);">Speaking of length of service during contracting \
-<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);">I have \
contracted for the last five years in different places and am now permanent. \
After looking at my income, I realized I spent 20% looking for a job or on a \
vacation between jobs. It didn't turn out to be worth \
it.<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div>
<div>
<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);"><u></u> <u></u></span></p> </div>
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<p class="ydpd33c03ffyiv5707550876MsoNormal"><span \
style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Helvetica, \
sans-serif;color:rgb(38,40,42);">Sharon<u></u><u></u></span></p> </div>
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